eBay Marketing Program Terms 15 January 2025 - Time to jump the eBay ship ???

[bittyboy101]

Just received a message from eBay with a link to their new Marketing Program Terms which come into force on 15th January 2025.

Link below:-

https://pages.ebay.co.uk/promote-your-listings/terms/B2C/?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e99011.m2.l1&mkcid=2... 

This seems way over to top to me as I'm only a small private seller with not much understanding of how this works and what hidden costs will rack up on my eBay seller account !

It looks to me like eBay are going to force yet another mandatory change on all of us and I honestly don't know if I have the ability to handle it.

This may be the end of me ever being able to sell anything on eBay ever again as this is now very complicated, costly and very frightening for a small simple private seller.

It really does now look that the person behind all these recent dreadful changes to eBay has now left no stone unturned with their mega changes campaign and are now changing everything that was original and unique to eBay with a mean vengeance !  😞 

Do post your thoughts on this - Good and Bad.

Many thanks !  🙂  

[reasonable-robert]

totally agree kath i studied 1st  year law and its all hollyhocks to me ...😀😁

 

[myriad*seller]

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@4_bathrooms wrote:

This isn't something new - according to the Wayback Machine that page has existed since 1st May 2018.

These are the terms that apply if you use eBay's "Marketing Services" such as promoted listings, promote your shop, promote offsite etc. If (like myself) you're not paying eBay for any of these things nothing has changed; if you are then some of the terms have been updated. Using the Wayback Machine you could compare the last update (March 19th 2024) with the current one. I quickly scanned both but it doesn't look like much has changed.   

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So the sky isn't falling then 

😂

[the_book_seekers]

I remember reading this sometime ago when I was trying to understand how promoted listings worked and see if they'd be worth while.  I got as far as this paragraph -

When providing us with Content, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicensable (through multiple tiers including, without limitation, through eBay's affiliates, subsidiaries and Partners), transferable right and licence to (A) use, reformat, reproduce and display your Ads and Content, including your logo, content, code and material provided by you or on your behalf on the Properties and (B) exercise any and all copyright, trademark, publicity and database rights in the Content, in connection with our provision, expansion, and promotion of our Marketing Services, in any media now known or in the future.

[4_bathrooms]

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@the_book_seekers wrote:

I remember reading this sometime ago when I was trying to understand how promoted listings worked and see if they'd be worth while.  I got as far as this paragraph -

When providing us with Content, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicensable (through multiple tiers including, without limitation, through eBay's affiliates, subsidiaries and Partners), transferable right and licence to (A) use, reformat, reproduce and display your Ads and Content, including your logo, content, code and material provided by you or on your behalf on the Properties and (B) exercise any and all copyright, trademark, publicity and database rights in the Content, in connection with our provision, expansion, and promotion of our Marketing Services, in any media now known or in the future.

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You will find an identical paragraph in the User Agreement.

There is a way of ensuring you don't forfeit all copyright and other rights you have when uploading content to eBay that I have posted several times.

[brindsey]

I haven't seen your previous posts about forfeit of copyright and would be extremely  grateful if you could repeat the content please.

It has always greatly concerned me that having spent ages getting an image just right, eBay say they can do what they like with it once it has been used on their site.

[theelench]

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@ile136yz wrote:

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@4_bathrooms wrote:

This isn't something new - according to the Wayback Machine that page has existed since 1st May 2018.

I agree it is not new info.

What amazed me was the number of commas in the very long sentences

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All the better to confuse you with.

[*devils.advocate*]

And sellers complain that buyers don't read things properly?

[theelench]

As a private seller I managed to get as far as the first wadge of "Content" before the head-ache started.  Definitely OTT sending it to private sellers.

I don't think it's compulsory (yet?) but if I hadn't already decided to stop selling I'd be worried that it's only a matter of time before it becomes so.  The fact that ebay has sent this sort of thing to private sellers, shows the way their mind is working and it's perfectly clear that ebay will want to get them involved in Sponsoring to recoup what they've lost from making selling fee-free for private sellers.  In the same way that, as a private seller, ebay has made it perfectly clear to me that even before "Free to Sell" came along without Sponsoring my listings, they would not be given enough visibility to sell.

Let me guess what all the legalese boils down to.

1.  Ebay can do whatever it wants with whatever the seller up-loads to ebay.

2.  Ebay is immune from any and all responsibility.

3.   Ebay can charge the seller whatever it likes.

4.   The seller accepts all responsibility for everything that ebay does.

5.    The seller is not given any guarantees that signing-up will lead to any increase in sales,

        or be beneficial to them in any way what-so-ever.

6.    The seller agrees to pay ebay whether they understand what all the above means or how much it will cost them.

[*devils.advocate*]

So, as always the way it has been - nothing changes then?

[vintagewatchpart]

This thread feels a bit pointless, every change that is being made big or small seems to be met with a rush to the forums to start a thread to express dismay without doing a bit of digging first.

What are the actual changes between this agreement and the one from 6 years ago? At a guess it is terminology regarding the different types of promoted listings available? 

It is extremely wordy but all T&C's are. I am sure if everyone read the T&C's of every website, service provider or social media platform and dissected everything that everyone would want to stop using them all.

Some Ebay sellers' product descriptions are more wordy than these marketing T&Cs...

[theelench]

But you have to be fair. 😀  

When did a seller produce anything like ebay's message in a listing that a buyer had to read.

Remember this was sent to a small private seller who struggles to sell a few antique locks, not Sotherby's.

[bittyboy101]

Maybe some people are worried and UNHAPPY with these sudden rash changes ?

Some of us have been here for 20 years and liked simplicity not complication !

[theelench]

I think that just shows how deep the level of distrust is between sellers, especially private sellers, ebay and all it does, at the moment.

[*devils.advocate*]

Oh now, now, now, you know eBay? 😃

Fair?

Can you honestly imagine someone at eBay coming up with any form of lagalise?

It's just regurgitated garbage to suport their PMA* syndrome.

*ssɐ ʎɯ ʇɔǝʇoɹd

[vintique*violet]

There is a way of ensuring you don't forfeit all copyright and other rights you have when uploading content to eBay that I have posted several times.

Out of interest where would I find your information on this please. 

[4_bathrooms]

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@brindsey wrote:

I haven't seen your previous posts about forfeit of copyright and would be extremely  grateful if you could repeat the content please.

It has always greatly concerned me that having spent ages getting an image just right, eBay say they can do what they like with it once it has been used on their site.

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The pertinent part is in the longer version found in eBay's User Agreement which - upon checking - isn't identical. However, the pertinent part is this:

"You authorise us to exercise any and all copyright, trademark, publicity, database or other intellectual property rights you have in or to the content in any media known now or developed in the future for these purposes. Further, to the fullest extent permitted under applicable law, you waive your moral rights in the content and promise not to assert such rights or any other intellectual property rights you have in the content against us, our sublicensees or our assignees."

You obviously cannot grant or forfeit any rights you don't have to eBay. For example, if you were a retailer of trainers (or "sneakers" as eBay likes to call them) and you uploaded some Nike stock photos you obviously would not be granting eBay copyright to those stock photos for all eternity because the copyright belongs to Nike, not yourself.

Similarly, the simple answer is to set up a website in a different name to the one your eBay account is registered to. So, your eBay account is registered to Person A but the website is registered to Person B (a separate legal entity). At the bottom of every page on the website there needs to be a copyright notice such as "All content Copyright © 2024 Person B." The website doesn't need to be anything fancy; a simple image gallery containing your original images and any original text you want to protect is all you need. Then, should another eBay user use one of your (or rather, Person B's) images without permission Person B files a NOCI for copyright infringement providing the website URL where their image is copyrighted.  

[reasonable-robert]

BS have been kicking up a stink about these new fees where the buyer pays in the new year

although PS dont have to pay a listing fee i think this will harm both the BS & PS with regard to sales unless you are a specialist seller things like voltarol for instance will be cheaper at your local tesco and instantly available you are not waiting 1 to 2 days for it to arrive this will only work if you live miles from or are unable to get to tescos.

and i dont think e bay will stop there will the next plan be where seller have to pay a percentage as well as the buyer like the auctions.

those who are thinking of giving up the ghost may just do so possibly mysellf included and i,ve been a member of e bay since it first started as a second hand tat site.

[bittyboy101]

Great image ! lol 😁

100%  TRUTHFUL !

Someone inside of eBay decided to press the SELF DESTRUCT BUTTON ! when they set about making changes after changes after more changes and of course THEY WERE NEVER FOR THE BETTER as you can now see by your SHARP DECLINE IN HEALTHY AND REGULAR SALES.

If I was in charge of eBay I would have LEFT IT WELL ALONE just like it was originally setup in LATE 1995 as it worked 100% well for both buyers and sellers alike - SIMPLICITY was a huge PLUS - Now in Smartphone age... some person in eBay decided that they ought to make eBay for Smartphone users only ??... never mind that 80% of most eBay users are still using LAPTOP AND DESKTOP PC'S in their offices ! to buy and sell on eBay...

[wyntersemporium]

There’s other places to sell on. 

[wyntersemporium]

Been thinking the same. It’s always take cash off business sellers . I’m spread around the web. 
but have been looking into a website of my own as have loads of sterling to sell.