Would Brexit YES voters vote differently now???

[iconic-football-gaa-rugby-american-sports-shirts]

Pound Stirling clearly in trouble and most definately effect ebay sales across the board.

[roxcalibur]

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@rightgrand wrote:

Personally, I'd like to see English independence.  That would stop the moaning.  Actually it wouldn't, as Scotland, Wales and N Ireland would quickly discover that they were broke without England's money.

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And where would England be without Scotland's oil?

[rightgrand]

It's pretty much gone now, just the last dregs to wring out.  The oil boom days are over.  God knows where the money's gone though - Norway's used its oil money to build up a wealth fund of US$878 billion, while we have a national debt of £1.8 TRILLION, which is utterly disgusting for a formerly oil-rich country.

Once it's all gone we'll find that we're all pretty much broke - England included.  This money and borrowing more recently has allowed the govt to spend stupid amounts while not taxing enough to cover it.  Nobody wants spending cuts but nobody wants to pay more tax either, so that's why we've got no savings and massive debts.  Politicians of all parties have used oil money and debt to achieve the seemingly impossible.

[cee-dee]

On your last point, the seemingly impossible? What's the idea behind this high speed train lark? No sooner will it have got up to speed than it'll be time to slow down again. The places en-route will be looking for a station/stop so it'll only be a bit quicker than existing trains. The country is too small for such a thing. A waste of money and a waste of the land it'll swallow up.

[rightgrand]

Exactly - a typical example of the kind of cash-swilling we've been doing over the years.  Along with lots of other nonsense, including lots of pomp and ceremony, arts grants and all the rest.

[cee-dee]

OK, what do you all think of this?:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39141354

[rightgrand]

Snouts, trough.

[jd.linklater]

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@cee-dee wrote:

OK, what do you all think of this?:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39141354

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A disgrace but nothing unusual really for the ones holding the purse strings to award themselves scandalous pay rises  while we're living in straightened times. The general population are the ones who have to deal with austerity while those at the top of the tree are largely unaffected, has it ever been any different? The result of trying to hold them to account for their actions is that they have been living off the rest of us for the past 4 years or so without even having to turn up for work.

[evoman3957]

For all you religious types out there and those that refuse to accept reality, the " Meek " will not inherit the earth...........they'll be dead long before they get the chance.  The human species became the most parasitic species of living creature, to ever colonize this planet, a long time ago.........it's been descending, deeper and deeper, into a moral sewer ever since.  I reckon we've reached the 50% mark now, between those that are totally pointless forms of life and those that are worth something.

[cee-dee]

Religion eh? I dunno where it comes from but how about this?:-

"To him that hath much, more shall be given.

To him that hath little, even that which he hath shall be taken away".

[evoman3957]

Yep.........that sounds about right.

[astrologica]

And the most dangerous instruction of all...'Go forth and multiply'. Evo is quite right....we are beyond help.

[cee-dee]

More squandered money?:-

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-government-agents-erect-15ft-12690466

[theelench]

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@jd.linklater wrote:

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@cee-dee wrote:

OK, what do you all think of this?:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39141354

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A disgrace but nothing unusual really for the ones holding the purse strings to award themselves scandalous pay rises  while we're living in straightened times. The general population are the ones who have to deal with austerity while those at the top of the tree are largely unaffected, has it ever been any different? The result of trying to hold them to account for their actions is that they have been living off the rest of us for the past 4 years or so without even having to turn up for work.

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Yes, it is a disgrace but in truth is only the tip of the ice-berg.  If you're interested sign up for the Taxpayers Alliance and they send regular bulletins about this sort of thing and the waste of public money in so many other ways.

Trouble is they have had things all their own way for so long they have a massive sense of entitlement to do what they like and pay themselves whatever they like for doing it.  With local democracy practically defunct there is no longer any control by tax payers or voters.

I'm quite sure this was part of the EU agenda, Local Councils being run by the un-elected senior officers with the elected councillors only there as a rubber stamp for their decisions.   The basis of a strong democracy is local democracy, it suited national governments and the EU to see this wither away to get everyone used to being ruled by the un-elected and to a large extent they have succeeded.

So often the attitude now is that the Council / Westminster / EU will do what it wants and there's nothing we can do about it.  Hence the decline in voter turn-out over the years.

Yet if people only realised it the system is more vulnerable than ever and if people want change they have been handed the perfect lever to get it.  No need for riots or disorder, democracy could be re-established with the click of a mouse.

[rightgrand]

Hopefully, us leaving the EU will be a first major step in restoring accountability to those who spend our money.

I was watching the news last night, hearing the EU "President" talking about his reaction to our resignation.  I wasn't thinking about what he was saying, just about who the hell voted him into office?  I don't remember the election for our president.  The Americans have a dangerous lunatic in charge but at least they voted for him, and will certainly give him the boot the next time around now that they've seen that he's completely mad.

[fallen-archie]

What is accountability and who decides what is and is not correct? The reason you employ professionals is for know how on a particular subject, we elect our representatives in theory because we trust them however in practice we vote for the party not the person. They are then selected for a specific brief based upon what? Their skillbase? Or their length of service to the party? You don't need any qualifications other than to be a reasonable orator (even that is questionable) and yet we want them to take and make responsible decisions based upon what exactly?
There are some great politicians out there and there are some horrid ones but that is subjective and taking into account personal prejudice and circumstance they are on a hiding to nothing so why would anyone wish to go into public service. Ask yourself whether you could take the scrutiny and daily calling out on everything you do and the tell me you could do a better job than your local MP? If the answer is yes then perhaps you should put yourself up for election, if no what can we do to ensure that the right people are elected.

[rightgrand]

Well, in the US, Trump's approval rating is somewhere around a record low.  People don't like what he's doing - e.g. slashing education and health spending and spending an extra £50bn a year on arms - presumably preparing to start World War 3.  This is completely at odds with what he claimed to stand for - looking after everyone, getting less involved in wars.  But, despite having to put up with him for 4 years, at least they can give him the boot and get someone else in.

The general principle is that politicians are allowed to carry on for longer if they do what pleases the majority of the people.  It's not complicated, it's democracy.  Yes, the odd outright liar and conman gets through the net, but they get booted out later.

I've got no intentions of getting involved in politics myself, but I feel that it's essential that each one of us has the power to be heard, at the polling station at the very least.  Who elected the EU President?  I've no idea, but I wasn't asked to vote on it.  Even if he's the best person in the world and is nothing but sweetness and light I demand, as a citizen, to have a say in who it should be, and therefore to hold them accountable for their actions the next time I'm asked.

[cee-dee]

Politics? Most of it is just hot air and a waste of time and just lately it's being over promoted by the news "media".

Take yesterday on the BBC news, the "news" is supposed to be half an hour, then the weather forecast, then local news but what happened yesterday? They were ranting on and on and on about the Article 50 letter and loads of rubbish from reporters having a high old time swanning around Europe with loads and loads of pompous, opinionated waffle by various "correspondents" and "editors".

"Our main news item today is"....... After the first mention it was back to "Our main news iten today is"..... after twenty minutes it was "Our main news item today"....., after half an hour there was a brief mention of other news and "Our main news item"...... The weather forecast followed and that was followed by.... Yes, you've guessed it...... "Our main news item" with a re-showing of the writing/signing/handing over of the Article 50 letter. The local news was 5 minutes late, shortened and all for what? Political waffle.

The actual news of the day was that the Article 50 letter had been handed over and that was that. Nothing more need to have been said and certainly not half an hour of rubbish waffle.

[celticthebhoys585]

Oh and now the mess starts eh!

N0 1-  "Lloyds of Brussels" lmao

[vsmusic2010]

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@celticthebhoys585 wrote:

Oh and now the mess starts eh!

N0 1-  "Lloyds of Brussels" lmao

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This is a distraction by Remainer news organisations.  (A) Lloyds have had a Brussels office for years     (B) Lloyds confirmed this morning that all they are doing is creating a subsidiary company in Brussels which they can use as a legal vehicle if the Brexit deal means they have to be based in an EU country for regulation reasons (C) only a few jobs would move to Brussels which aren't already there.  Just nonsense reporting, blown out of all proportion.