Will Abu Qatada ever be kicked out?

[merehazle]

Update on our grinning friend:

Who needs enemies when we have a court that blocks the government that was voted in by the people?

[blackburn_stevie]

We need for the Queen to say something along the lines of ..... "Will no one rid us of this upstart preacher?"

A few days later his body would be found in a skip.

Problem solved.

[merehazle]

A year ago Theresa May promised he would soon be removed. (should have taken advice from Abu's lawyers).

Mr Cameron is now considering a temporary withdrawal from the European Rights Convention.  (just do it!).

Steve, want's the the Queen to intervene. (I forget but I think she did say something).

Who is in charge? the government or the courts? if it courts you don't need the government, get a grip people, this man hates western culture and all you stand for.

Yes... and what ever you think of Thatcher she would let no one from Europe or anywhere P over us. And ABU would have been out! long ago.   

[skypilot624]

Hi Mere.....

Short of putting him on an aircraft and flying him out to Jordan I can see him staying here with us for quite a few more years.....

I can picture him now sitting in his cell working out his next appeal.

Kindest Regards.

Ollie.

[electric*mayhem*band]

Couldn't we simply change the law, to one that will enable us to take him out and shoot him ?

[right-then-petal]

a few months ago someone on RT said if he was put on a plane and sent back UK could only be fined a few thousand

anyway see the news today UK have signed a treaty for him to go

[merehazle]

a few months ago someone on RT said if he was put on a plane and sent back UK could only be fined a few thousand

anyway see the news today UK have signed a treaty for him to go

Hi.

Not quite - I think you will find that it is back to legal square one. We are back on legal court cases, and that will almost certainly take years.

Downing Street today refused to deny reports that David Cameron is considering a temporary withdrawal from the human rights convention in order to finally remove Qatada from Britain.

Oh!!! (yes or no please?) They have secrets from us? That's not unusual - as Tom would say.

That temporary withdrawal would do it, but Cameron wont do it IMO.

Hi sky #4  I think that's already done;-).  

[bookhunter2007]

 Yes... and what ever you think of Thatcher she would let no one from Europe or anywhere P over us. And ABU would have been out! long ago.   

Not quite. Many exiled Mujahideen "freedom fighters" settled in the UK during the 80s and early 90s. Plus, "the west" also armed & funded them during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan all throughout the 80s.

As for leaving the ECHR, the only other 'European' country not signed up to it is Belarus....Europe's last dictatorship.

[upthecreekyetagain]

The idea that we could temporarily withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights is nonsensical and a complete no go.  It would require the agreement of the Houses of Parliament and the government would never get such a move passed.

We NEED an independent judiciary to make decisions that follow the rule of law rather than the whims of whichever government is in power - without such a judiciary then the truth about the Hillsborough disaster, for example, would never have been revealed.

We may not like the idea of people such as Abu Qatada using our laws for their own purposes but the idea that such laws could be suspended as a matter of convenience is a terrifying prospect.

[cke786]

Problem is, the Human Rights thing is rather stupid bill, as to uphold someone's human rights, chances are, you have to forego someone else's. Like that asylum seeker a few years ago, who killed that young girl by driving into and crushing her to death, then ran off, he had no tax on his car, no insurance and was banned from driving, also, his asylum application had even been rejected, however, as he had a wife and daughter living here, he was allowed to stay under the rules of the human rights bill.. where is the rights of the young girl he killed, or her fathers? Out the window, that's where!!

I don't think it should be canned or have us withdraw from it, but I do think it needs a good work-over, so that such people cannot escape justice.

[merehazle]

cke #10 - Yes most would remember that case. Then he was not human IMO.

Rather than start a new thread: Richard Dart a white Muslim convert was jailed for 6 years today - which should mean about 4 years.He also refused to go in the dock saying:  '' Only Allah can judge me.'' All three having admitted conduct in preparation for terrorism.

You were judge Richard... at least he gave you 6 years. IMO you three and any terrorist no matter what faith or belief should never see liberty again. How can we release uncontrollable MONSTERS ever?   

[upthecreekyetagain]

Problem is, the Human Rights thing is rather stupid bill, as to uphold someone's human rights, chances are, you have to forego someone else's

I think that before dismissing the Human Rights Act as a "stupid bill" it is important to look at a wide selection of cases where rights under the Act have been invoked rather than just looking at those very few cases where it has been used by individuals whose "claims" under the Act you may disagree with.

http://www.ourhumanrightsstories.org.uk/case-study

[merehazle]

It's that  HIDEOUS man again.

Abu Qatada pledges to 'voluntarily' leave Britain IF Jordan signs treaty not to use evidence gained through torture.

What's the catch? Someone like Qatada dosen't make an offer like this unless it is in his interest.

Yes this one is certainly HIDEOUS 😉

[bankhaunter]

What's the catch?

He is aware that if they do, he may not be able to stop deportation.

[upthecreekyetagain]

What's the catch?

Most likely because he knows that Jordan will not be able to make the charges against him stick without using evidence from individuals that have been tortured.

[merehazle]

Without using torture :-D.    Yeah right, torture is the problem?:|

Update:

My rent-free house is to small says Qatada: Hate cleric complains there is no space for his family's possessions.

His lawyer says he is unhappy that his £1,400 a month house lacks storage.

Would that be for his 17 mobile phones?

It's true that Nigel Farage should send Qatada a bunch of flowers for all the support he's drummed up for UKIP.

The Special Immigration Appeals Commission has heard that he is likely to be on plane back to Jordan.

Only likely 😉

[upthecreekyetagain]

Without using torture .    Yeah right, torture is the problem

If you understand anything about this case then you will know that torture has been the problem and is the only reason he hasn't been extradited so far.

[merehazle]

Without using torture .    Yeah right, torture is the problem

If you understand anything about this case then you will know that torture has been the problem and is the only reason he hasn't been extradited so far.

😄   Well wouldn't you know it?

Anything?    I like many don't believe he would be tortured.

He has been the problem. 

'Only reason' ? The other reason is he like others knew we were a soft touch,and our soft government as ever, let us down.

That I understand.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Anything?    I like many don't believe he would be tortured.

You really don't understand what's been going on - do you 😮

The delay has not been caused by a threat of torture to Abu Qatada - maybe a read up on the court's decisions for the delay would be a start.

[merehazle]

Anything?    I like many don't believe he would be tortured.

You really don't understand what's been going on - do you 😮

The delay has not been caused by a threat of torture to Abu Qatada - maybe a read up on the court's decisions for the delay would be a start.

Oh God 'padantic' hat on again. do I have to?  Well one more....

'Delay'  I'm on about the whole story ... 10 years of it.

I think torture was mentioned over and over again in that 10 years. 

Right back tomorrow...probably. 

Hi, bidder if your about;-)