It's been a while :-)

[**bustysinclaire**]

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-no1-2018-jan-feb/bible-guidance-relevant/

A topic that is being offered for discussion this month. Some may find it interesting xxx

[**bustysinclaire**]

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@cee-dee wrote:

Your own words? I think not. More long C & P.

You keep harking back to "original texts" but there were so many. JW's have chosen the ones which suit their agenda, as ever. The original bible would have been in old Hebrew, Aramaic and/or a mixture of that and Hebrew. The Greek texts were a translation and that's why there's so many which are not all the same.

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Most of the post was what you asked for "my own words" 

You did get your answer CD.

[cee-dee]

No I didn't, just more deflection. What happened to the Four Winds?

[**bustysinclaire**]

Moving on.

In keeping with the original topic of the thread 3 thoughts.

Give examples that show the scientific accuracy of the Bible.

The Bible wasn’t written to teach science or to be a school textbook, but what it says about scientific matters is always accurate. That is what we would expect of a book that comes from God. For example, the book of Leviticus contains God’s instructions on ways the Israelites could stop disease from spreading. This was written long before people knew how bacteria and viruses cause disease. The Bible also correctly teaches that the earth hangs on nothing. (Job 26:7) And when most people believed that the earth
was flat, the Bible said that it was round.​—Isaiah 40:22

What does the honesty of the Bible writers help us to understand?

When the Bible talks about history, it is always accurate. But many history books are not completely accurate because the writers were not honest. For example, they did not always write about the times their nation was defeated in battle. Instead, Bible writers were honest even when Israel was defeated. They also wrote about their own mistakes. For example, in the book of Numbers, Moses tells us that he made a serious mistake and that God had to discipline him for it. (Numbers 20:2-12) The honesty of Bible writers shows that the Bible comes from God. This means that we can trust the Bible.

Why is the Bible’s advice helpful for us today?

The Bible is “inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight.” (2 Timothy 3:16) Yes, the Bible’s advice is helpful for us today. Jehovah knows how we are made, so he understands how we think and feel. He knows us better than we know ourselves, and he wants us to be happy. He knows what is good for us and what is bad for us.

[cee-dee]

Another twisting to suit yourselves? Your own version (NWT) of Isaiah 40 : 22 says :-

"There is one who dwells above the circle of the earth and it's inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He is stretching the heavens like a fine gauze and he spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."

That's saying the earth is a circle, it doesn't say it's a sphere.

[margaret*e]

Are there some posts missing, I’m sure I read a couple last night that have disappeared.😮

[cee-dee]

Yes, they were here this morning until "someone" had posted.

[**bustysinclaire**]

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@margaret*e wrote:

Are there some posts missing, I’m sure I read a couple last night that have disappeared.😮

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The were gone around 1.30 this morning Margaret, don't know why as they seemed perfectly OK xx

[upthecreekyetagain]

Maybe just a glitch - I’ve not had any message from a mod.

I was simply asking how to explain in scientific terms Revelations 7-1

After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.

Where are the four corners on a sphere?

[**bustysinclaire**]

I have just had my bottom smacked. 😥

Will reply later when signed in on my PC  creeky if that's OK ☺

[**bustysinclaire**]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Maybe just a glitch - I’ve not had any message from a mod.

I was simply asking how to explain in scientific terms Revelations 7-1

After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.

Where are the four corners on a sphere?

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Book of Revelation - Prophetic and Symbolic.

The number 4 symbolises universalness

The “four winds” are a vivid symbol of destructive judgment about to be let loose on a wicked earthly society. 4 winds North south East and West so universal - judgement of the whole world of wicked mankind.

The  4 Angels represent 4 angelic groups that Jehovah uses to hold back the destructive judgement (the 4 winds) to allow the sealing of 144,000 heavenly government (the appointed time)  before the the angels release those winds of divine wrath to whirl at one time from north, south, east, and west, the devastation will be tremendous. completely annihilating Satan and his earthly organisation.

Sorry creeky nothing scientific, A prophesy of Jehovahs judgement on the wicked and how Jehovah accomplishes it.

A book entitled  "Revelation - It's Grand Climax at Hand"  will explain the 66th book of the bible in great informative detail. Helping anyone to understand God's purpose, prophesies and fulfillment of them.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Yet in your earlier post you said the Bible was scientifically accurate - you can’t have it both ways!

It either is scientifically accurate or it isn’t.

Now if the author believed, like the early Egyptians, that the Earth was square then the “four corners” make sense otherwise it is a ‘nonsense’ phrase.

[cee-dee]

Well you're not going to be one of the 144,000 because you're not a member of the 12 tribes?

[**bustysinclaire**]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Yet in your earlier post you said the Bible was scientifically accurate - you can’t have it both ways!

It either is scientifically accurate or it isn’t.

Now if the author believed, like the early Egyptians, that the Earth was square then the “four corners” make sense otherwise it is a ‘nonsense’ phrase.

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Yes the bible is scientifically accurate.

Your point is not a valid one because as I said the book of Revelation is prophetic and symbolic of what is to come, the 4 winds North South East and West representing the destruction reaching every part of the eartth. 4 - symbolically universal - entire earth.

IMHO The importance is focusing on the message within.

The Non spiritually minded are not able to understand spiritual things.

What does it mean to be a spiritual person?

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2018/what-it-means-to-be-spir...

To be spiritually minded you have to be conscious of your spiritual need.

[**bustysinclaire**]

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@cee-dee wrote:

Well you're not going to be one of the 144,000 because you're not a member of the 12 tribes?

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Actually CD i'd agree with that.

I am not one of the 144,000  and not for the reason you suggest.

The 12 tribes of Isreal were regected by Jehovah when they played their part in putting Jesus to Death.

It is spiritual Isreal that Jehovah takes as his people now.

[cee-dee]

Ask a JW a direct question and they'll either waffle, deflect, distort or change the subject.

The whole issue of the Watchtower Society is founded upon their interpretation of ancient scripts which in themselves are founded upon early writings of Man. The fundamental belief of the society is that they are "right" and everyone else is "wrong".

It's a case of "We're the only ones in step and everyone else is out of step".

Quite honestly that would be fine by me (and many, many others) if they'd just keep that belief to themselves instead of boring the pants off everyone by continully trying to shove their distorted point of view down everyone's throat. When taken to task about that they think they're hard done by. We don't want to be "converted" and we're not trying to "convert" you, furthermore we're not interested, we're just aggravated by your idiotic persistence. 

This "spiritual" thing is just a cover for the word of the society. By that I mean that those old written words say one thing which means one thing when read properly but the JWs claim that it means something else and that "something else" is what they say was meant.

An old saying is "I said what I meant and I meant what I said but what you think I said is not what I meant". That just about sums up what the JWs are up to. = Distortion for their own ends.

The whole lot are wreathed in blackmail and fear. The blackmail is that members are not able to leave without being shunned. = "You leave and we'll have nothing to do with you and we'll make sure your friends and family who are still members won't have anything to do with you either". The fear is that the society are fearful that those leaving might corrupt those who are still members and the leaving members are fearful of not being able to interact with members (who were former friends or family).

Any poor person considering leaving might well be singing:-

Last thing I remember, I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before.
"Relax" said the night man, "We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!"

[**bustysinclaire**]

Awww I wouldn't say hard done by exactly, but thank you for your post CD.

[cee-dee]

It seems I missed a couple of words out of this line "....waffle, deflect, distort or change the subject...." The missing words are "Dismiss" and "Ignore".

= Thank you for your post, I'm taking no notice of what you said, I know the truth......

The truth of the matter is what I wrote.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Sorry Busty but you still haven’t addressed the “four corners” phrase.

Why use such a description unless the author believed the Earth was square? 

[upthecreekyetagain]

Another scientific anomaly in the JW Bible occurs in Kings 7 :23

Then he made the Sea of cast metal. It was circular in shape, 10 cubits from brim to brim and 5 cubits high, and it took a measuring line 30 cubits long to encircle it.

That makes pi = 3

[**bustysinclaire**]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bzZY0QBZfg