Covid-19 vaccine .....

[dark_castle1]

Now that the vaccination programme is about to be rolled out soon, are you in the yay, nay or maybe after you see some results of others taking it camp if you are offered it ?

Personally I am in the yay camp if it gets  me back to some kind of normality in the future because all these constant precautions are beginning to affect me.

[l111da]

Its easy to describe those who have a different view about Covid as 'nutters'.

BUT what if we went back to January 2019 and someone had suggested that a mysterious virus would bring the world to a complete standstill and make it stutter for 12 months, killing millions throughout the world and bringing health services to their knees. - Would that have been described as the ramblings of some nutter who'd been reading too many sci fi books?

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@astrologica wrote:

BH..you are quite correct, the word I should have used is 'infertility', rather than 'impotency'. The vaccine has been linked to infertility.

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By whom?

All I can find on the web is that there is NO evidence that the vaccine is linked to infertility.

There are just so many false claims made and repeated so often, yet when you actually take the time to find any supporting evidence you just come up against a brick wall - this thread is typical of that syndrome. 

Where is the evidence for these conspiracy theories?  Vague claims about false numbers, admitted mistakes in published figures but who are the individuals supposedly behind these?  What's their names? What do they have to gain?

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@l111da wrote:

Its easy to describe those who have a different view about Covid as 'nutters'.

BUT what if we went back to January 2019 and someone had suggested that a mysterious virus would bring the world to a complete standstill and make it stutter for 12 months, killing millions throughout the world and bringing health services to their knees. - Would that have been described as the ramblings of some nutter who'd been reading too many sci fi books?

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If someone had suggested that there were a shadowy organisation looking for World domination that would either release a virus or take advantage of a pandemic - then yes I would have called them nutters.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@l111da wrote:

..and this evening we get the news that the ONS figures that we used to engage the latest lockdown were wrong! You couldn't make it up could you.. and they wonder why there are conspiracy theories? LOL

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There is plenty to criticise the home nation governments regarding their handling of the Covid pandemic - that is a world away from baseless claims being made by some.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@astrologica wrote:

The BBC...the doom mongers. Every day they gravely announce the number of 'deaths' FROM ANY CAUSE within 28 days of a positive test! Who are they trying to kid?  I don't know one single person who has had COVID and been actually ill. I know a few that have had a 'positive' test and not been ill in the slightest. Including one person who didn't keep her test appointment, but still had a letter telling her she was positive. It's the biggest con trick in history.

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Who's the con artist and what do they have to gain?  Let's have names.

How accurate the deaths due to Covid are is open to debate - what is a fact is that there have been tens of thousands more deaths since March than were statistically expected.

i don't know anyone who has died from Covid, there again I really wouldn't expect to seeing as less than one in a thousand members of the population have died.

I do know of one person who is likely to die having received a late diagnosis of breast cancer, indirectly a result of the pandemic. 

[astrologica]

This virus is politically expedient. If people looked at world events as a whole, instead of just concentrating on the rubbish churned out by the BBC and Sky news every day, they would see that. It is just a means of keeping the population under control. Just watch what happens as we get nearer to the day when Boris announces his Brexit 'deal' , (which is already decided, but he won't announce it until we are all under severe lockdowns.) Next year The Great Reset will be put into operation, and it will be a bumpy ride. Do some research Creeks....and if you want some names, there are many, all over the world, but just for starters Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, and the Clintons.....

P.s. And because we are not scared enough of the virus..we now have a 'mutation'! You couldn't make it up! 

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@astrologica wrote:

This virus is politically expedient. If people looked at world events as a whole, instead of just concentrating on the rubbish churned out by the BBC and Sky news every day, they would see that. It is just a means of keeping the population under control. Just watch what happens as we get nearer to the day when Boris announces his Brexit 'deal' , (which is already decided, but he won't announce it until we are all under severe lockdowns.) Next year The Great Reset will be put into operation, and it will be a bumpy ride. Do some research Creeks....and if you want some names, there are many, all over the world, but just for starters Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, and the Clintons.....

P.s. And because we are not scared enough of the virus..we now have a 'mutation'! You couldn't make it up! 

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and if you want some names, there are many, all over the world, but just for starters Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, and the Clintons

Now I've heard it all - what power do any of that trio have over the pandemic?

There is a difference between research and believing in fairy tales. 

[astrologica]

Creeks...why did I just know that that would be your response?😀  As I said, you need to look at wider world events to see where the virus fits in. I'm afraid you are the one living in a fairytale world, but if that makes you happy then that's fine. Just keep your head in the sand. 2021 is going to be a bumpy ride.

[0125arwen]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

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@astrologica wrote:

The BBC...the doom mongers. Every day they gravely announce the number of 'deaths' FROM ANY CAUSE within 28 days of a positive test! Who are they trying to kid?  I don't know one single person who has had COVID and been actually ill. I know a few that have had a 'positive' test and not been ill in the slightest. Including one person who didn't keep her test appointment, but still had a letter telling her she was positive. It's the biggest con trick in history.

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Who's the con artist and what do they have to gain?  Let's have names.

How accurate the deaths due to Covid are is open to debate - what is a fact is that there have been tens of thousands more deaths since March than were statistically expected.

i don't know anyone who has died from Covid, there again I really wouldn't expect to seeing as less than one in a thousand members of the population have died.

I do know of one person who is likely to die having received a late diagnosis of breast cancer, indirectly a result of the pandemic. 

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There have not been tens of thousands of deaths since march than were expected it is doubtful there has been any - source - ONS

.And isn't it odd that this year all other causes of death that are exasperated by winter have pretty much vanished especially Flu

Seems we are at a five year low for respiratory deaths = source - ONS

If you want to know why so many believe some of these theories it is because they contain more facts than much of what we are fed by msm and government right now.

It is those who make the rules who have been amongst the first to break them, whilst i have missed the best part of a year of my Grandsons first year, including their first birthday.

So yeah i follow the rules even though i no longer believe in them, and the attempts to silence other opinions/voices helps no one.

As for the vaccine- No.

[astrologica]

And..how strange is it that there are no post mortems? How do they know someone has died OF COVID without a post mortem? There are so many questionable aspects to this virus. I do believe that we are being conned...and if that is true then it is the Greatest Crime against Humanity ever perpetrated. The end of this month will be very telling. Some people don't want to face the possibility that a government could con its people this way, I hope I am wrong to believe this, but I fear not.

[cee-dee]

Astro, I'm really, really surprised you're taking the line you are.

Covid-19 seems to me to trigger other problems and I'm guessing that like the Flu, it doesn't actually kill you but the problems it's triggered does if you're that susceptible.

If someone gets the Flu and it triggers other problems which eventully cause a death, is influenza mentioned on the death certificate or stated as a cause of death?

All this talk of conspiracies to "control" the population stemmed from "somewhere" and has been taken up by the likes of David Icke and all sorts of idiotic conspiracy theorists flooding the internet with fake "facts". How they think a vaccine could lead to a chip being implanted I just don't know!!!

Covid-19 is a real disease spread by close contact and it depends upon each person as to the severity of any effects.

[bankhaunter]

How do they know someone has died OF COVID without a post mortem?

Symptoms are a bit of a give away.

https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/covid-19-symptoms-progress-death-3536264/

The mortality rate alone should not be considered a pointer as to the seriousness of the disease.  The security chief at the White House recently left hospital having taken several weeks to recover.

He is now without his left big toe and his right leg below the knee.

I am surprised given the ease of world travel and the history of infectious diseases, that anyone would suspect the coronavirus to be anything but an easily possible event.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@cee-dee wrote:

Astro, I'm really, really surprised you're taking the line you are.

Covid-19 seems to me to trigger other problems and I'm guessing that like the Flu, it doesn't actually kill you but the problems it's triggered does if you're that susceptible.

If someone gets the Flu and it triggers other problems which eventully cause a death, is influenza mentioned on the death certificate or stated as a cause of death?

All this talk of conspiracies to "control" the population stemmed from "somewhere" and has been taken up by the likes of David Icke and all sorts of idiotic conspiracy theorists flooding the internet with fake "facts". How they think a vaccine could lead to a chip being implanted I just don't know!!!

Covid-19 is a real disease spread by close contact and it depends upon each person as to the severity of any effects.

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It's not the likes of David Icke that is the worry - it's all the far right groups who are promulgating these theories in order to stir up hatred.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@0125arwen wrote:

There have not been tens of thousands of deaths since march than were expected it is doubtful there has been any - source - ONS

.And isn't it odd that this year all other causes of death that are exasperated by winter have pretty much vanished especially Flu

Seems we are at a five year low for respiratory deaths = source - ONS

If you want to know why so many believe some of these theories it is because they contain more facts than much of what we are fed by msm and government right now.

It is those who make the rules who have been amongst the first to break them, whilst i have missed the best part of a year of my Grandsons first year, including their first birthday.

So yeah i follow the rules even though i no longer believe in them, and the attempts to silence other opinions/voices helps no one.

As for the vaccine- No.

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That reply is so revealing.  Have you actually read the ONS weekly reports and studied their figures or just accepted the lies put forward by the likes of QAnon?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deaths...

Between Weeks 1 and 12 in 2020, 138,916 deaths were registered, which was 4,822 fewer than the five-year average for these weeks. However, between Weeks 13 and 49, 428,306 deaths were registered, which was 71,167 more than the five-year average.

How you can claim that, "these theories . . . . . contain more facts than much of what we are fed by msm and government right now.", is beyond me if your post is an example of what they contain.

[astrologica]

No one needs to be looking at Qanon..or David Icke for that matter...they are conspiracy theorists..no questioning that. But the information that is emerging about the great reset is very interesting. Also the workings of the World Economic Forum. There are big changes coming some of them under the cloak of Environmentism. And there is no denying the fact that the virus has been very convenient at a time when populations are going to be asked to make unpalatable changes.

creeky...my sister works at ONS..she keeps me up to date on new data. She is of exactly the same mind as me. Why is it, that in the middle of a devasting Pandemic, cemeteries are not running out of room...crematoriums have not got lengthy waiting times.. Nightingale hospitals are all unused...and the average age of death for 'COVID' victims is 82. Very strange.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Why aren't cemeteries running out of room?  Why would you expect them to?  With over half a million people dying each year in normal times the increase due to Covid is approx 15% of that number.

Not all Nightingale hospitals are unused and in any case they were assembled as an insurance policy.

The average age of death in the UK is just over 81 - Why would the average age of those dying from Covid be any different when it is more deadly for the elderly?  I am surprised it is not higher.  

[cee-dee]

A phrase attributed to Disraeli is "There are three kinds of lies, there are lies, damned lies and statistics". Whoever said it wasn't wrong!

[suzieseaside]

Time for a covid Xmas singalong?

https://www.companynewshq.com/coronavirus-news/do-they-know-its-covid-time-at-all/

[suzieseaside]

Oh well, for some reason the video was missing in that link. Back to hibernation!

[barefoot.biker]

I’m in the yes group. 🙂