The new when we get paid rules from February.

[nichsm_2913]

Ebay was always heavily weighted in favour of the Buyers, but this new mad rule thats coming in next month about having to wait two days after delivery is confirmed to get paid is simply beyond the pale.

And sometimes delivery conformation never comes, apparently in that situation we have to wait 14 days to get our money.  

This is disgusting and completely nuts. A self-destructive move from Ebay.

[jma2815]

I’m in the same situation. I sell infrequently but when I do sell I am reminded to browse the listings for the things I collect (vintage clothing and craft tools) and more often than not would spend more than I’d taken. 

Both will stop when SD comes in. I used to make things to sell on etsy and left because of similar micromanagement of my account and the pressure to list, promote, network, and pay, pay, pay etsy for services I was not in control of. I felt like an employee of corporate America, not a housewife disposing of a few unwanted hand knits in rural Scotland. It seems eBay is going the same way. 

I can’t see a viable online alternative for that little venture or selling my unwanted possessions now. I definitely  don’t like anything I’ve seen or heard about Vinted (not least the race to the bottom on pricing and buyers not willing to pay more than £2-£3 for anything due to the added fees) but I’m a 54 year old dinosaur, what do I know.

EBay must be counting on all the young Vinted sellers coming over to them once they offer the same terms but will they? 

[carmc_4961]

Agree and the sellers meeting at the post office are saying the same,  we will move platforms on 4/2/25. looking at deliveries I can see 4 that have been done in the last 24 hours and EBay has not changed the status to Delivered, (a preview perhaps)  Royal Mail does not always scan Tracked items so sellers

will not be paid so will need to request compensation for the carrier.   All this seems to say sellers are unwelcome and must be treated as dishonest.   

[jma2815]

edit: I think I may have replied to the wrong post, apologies to @carmc_4961  

Which platform will you be moving to? Genuinely interested. Vinted is what they’re copying so that’s clearly out, I think I’m right in saying that etsy wouldn’t suit most of us for many reasons, eBid and Folksy don’t get the traffic and we don’t have Mercari or depop….

Which leaves, I suppose, Facebook marketplace and Amazon. I’ve never used either and honestly I’d rather just give up selling than look into them. 

[lucy_farmer]

'......when I do sell I am reminded to browse the listings for the things I collect.....'

This is where I'm totally puzzled by ebay's 'split personality' on private sellers.

On the one hand, we have the CEO (no less!) of ebay saying that 'private sellers who also buy are amongst the most valuable customers of ebay', and trying to increase their numbers would make the forecast figures look great for the shareholders... (I paraphrase badly here; the proper version can be found under the helpful posts of the member 'valueaddedresource'...)

And on the other hand, they're insulting us by saying buyers need special 'protection' from us (which turns out to be no different to the existing MBG) and they will be making it too difficult for many (including me ☹️) to carry on selling, once 'Simple Delivery' becomes compulsory (sometime this spring, again according to the CEO.)

I can understand they're hoping to attract many more new private sellers with the ads about 'free to sell',*  but throwing away existing 'vaulable' customers is strange behaviour.

* 'Free to sell'... well yes, in the letter of the law that's strictly true...... in the spirit of how it's actually going to work, it's bullsh**.

[new_model_workshop]

It's 'Free to Sell' because it will no longer be 'Free to Buy'
They've just shifted the Final value fees onto the buyer, with a double
sized fixed fee. most likely because they analysed the number of small
transactions between £3.50 and £7 and realised that's where they had the
most potential to gain by dropping the %age and increasing the fixed.

So, as a result, I will be going to business seller, but shifting all my
listings into a different, but still valid category that has half the %age
FVF that it had before the changes.

[lucy_farmer]

'It's 'Free to Sell' because it will no longer be 'Free to Buy'. '

Well yes..... but sellers will feel they have to reduce their prices so that the overall, total price that the buyer sees is the same as it was before.

Therefore the seller will feel that *they* are paying the fee by sleight-of-hand.

Not the buyer.

[new_model_workshop]

Buyers won't see it that way though, they will also feel that they are
paying the fees, so everyone is going to be unhappy

How long before they try to force Simple Shipping onto Business sellers?

[sml192]

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@carmc_4961 wrote:
Royal Mail does not always scan Tracked items so sellers

will not be paid so will need to request compensation for the carrier.  

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Sellers will still be paid.  They will just have to wait until 14 days after date of order if there is no delivery confirmation. 

[prelovedtreasures-3]

And that’s ok is it. To have to wait fourteen days for something that used to be a day or so

[sml192]

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@new_model_workshop wrote:
How long before they try to force Simple Shipping onto Business sellers?

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They may offer it to business sellers at some point but I very much doubt that they would make it mandatory, at least not for the big sellers who will have their own tailored contracts with carriers. 

[rrickoshae]

Yes, it’s a strange business model that wants to turn you away by their own stupid rule changes whilst on the other hand trying to persuade the share holders that this is all in their interest. What a load of monkeys! (No disrespect to monkeys intended)
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[rrickoshae]

You could try gumtree, that is a local and wider selling system that is still free to both sellers and buyers
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[rrickoshae]

Don’t forget gumtree
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[new_model_workshop]

FB marketplace no longer allows distance selling, local in person
transactions only

[vintique*violet]

I wonder if that is because of the huge fine FB Marketplace received and due to  eBay and FB collaboration?

Facebook Marketplace became another Meta platform to receive some revamping after Facebook.

The Marketplace and eBay are joining hands to make online buying and selling more easy and effective with Meta’s users gaining access to eBay listings.

The tech-giant announced on Wednesday, January 8, that it will now give direct access to eBay products on Facebook Marketplace in a testing phase in some countries.

This update received an enthusiastic welcome by eBay users who believe this will increase the quality and quantity of sales.

Once the user will click on a product, they will be redirected to eBay to complete their purchase. The countries that will have this feature include U.S., France and Germany.

Many believe this development came as a way for Meta to appease to European consumers as the company was fined $840 million by European Commission (EC) for abusive practices that benefits Facebook Marketplace.

The tech-bigwig was accused in November for breaching antitrust rules for merging Facebook and Facebook Marketplace.

In a blog post shared by Meta, it was stated, "eBay sellers will gain exposure to Facebook’s audience while people using Marketplace will be able to discover a broader array of listings from the eBay community."

The e-commerce platform has struggled in recent years with so many options in the industry including Temu, Walmart and Amazon.

Meta introduced Facebook Marketplace in 2016 for people to buy and sell products, which expanded to businesses in 2018.

Source...Google any of the paragraphs and it will come up... 

[valueaddedresource]

@vintique*violet  that FB and eBay partnership doesn't impact UK (only US, France and Germany) and at least in the US, FB still allows both local pick up and shipping and the announcement from eBay about that partnership indicates both types of listings may be included and shown on FB.

I haven't heard about FB getting rid of the shipping option in the UK but if they have, I don't think it would be related to that announcement.

[vintique*violet]

I wonder.... 

If it is to come? 

Didn't someone already mention that this partnership would allow your listings to be advertised within FB marketplace for Uk users... I may be misremembering ? 

Either way eBay want to " streamline" globally and I think all these changes are part of something bigger. 

On a different tangent... has anyone noticed that their layout has changed on their pages - Logging in just now it doesn't show the item category's on the top, it just has My eBay - Watchlist with a drop down box on the left hand side? 

[jma2815]

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@lucy_farmer wrote:

'It's 'Free to Sell' because it will no longer be 'Free to Buy'. '

Well yes..... but sellers will feel they have to reduce their prices so that the overall, total price that the buyer sees is the same as it was before.

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And, (I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again) sellers will reduce their prices to make the total more acceptable, only to then be messaged before checkout asking them to drop it by another chunk ‘because I have the fees and postage to pay’. 

I know most sellers are concerned that their low priced items won’t sell but I think it will be the opposite - it will become a Vinted style race to the bottom with sellers having to practically give things away as buyers will not want to pay the fees+postage on more than about £2 or £3 for anything. 

[jma2815]

I tried gumtree. There’s no interest at all in anything on there unless you give in and list it as free. Then you’re suddenly inundated with demands for *whatever it is*. 

[*devils.advocate*]

.... it will become a Vinted style ....

That's what eBay are copying.

eBay have, regretfully, always been reactive and not pro-active as they should be,