An interesting insight into HMRC expanding investigations

The taxman's ultimate weapon is supercomputer HMRC Connect. It holds 55 billion items of data on taxpayers, and that's growing all the time. It now incorporates artificial intelligence (AI) technology in its systems.

The robots are coming for your tax return.

HMRC Connect has all of your tax returns and can compare your previous submissions against your latest one, to see if anything looks amiss.

It also processes data from every other government agency, including the DVLA, Department for Work and Pensions, Land Registry, Border Agency, Companies House, electoral roll and council tax records.

HMRC Connect grabs information from your bank and building society, debit and credit cards, credit reference agencies, crypto asset platforms and insurers.

It can track down your earnings data, including income from casual employers and company benefits.

It even holds child benefit and maintenance payments data and will cross-reference the lot. And the taxman doesn't stop there.

HMRC Connect is all over social media too.

HMRC can access public posts on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram, although only as part of an ongoing investigation. It can also source your web browsing and email records.

So if you show off your fancy new car on Facebook, or post glitzy pictures of your luxury trip to the Caribbean, this may raise questions if your reported income is modest.

If you buy and sell goods online for more than £1,000 a year, report that, too. In January, HMRC secured new powers to check all your trading activity on platforms such as eBay, Gumtree, Etsy and Vinty.

HMRC even has access to property sites such as Airbnb, to see if you're renting out rooms. It keeps a beady eye on buy-to-let landlords, too.

If you're thinking of slipping money offshore think again, as tax collectors share data globally under the common reporting standard.

Criminal tax investigations bring in nearly £1billion in a year. The cost pays for itself around 30 times over.

It reckons it can bring in another £5.5billion.

While 81% of evasion is by small businesses, notably takeaways and sweet shops, it's coming after personal taxpayers too.

We now pay more tax than ever but resist the temptation to break the law. You're free to moan about taxes as much as you like but if you want to avoid them, do it legally. Otherwise HMRC could come after you.

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It all sounds quite depressing to me that our MPs voted for so much snooping on everybody with the usual excuse of anti-money laundering/proceeds of crime/tax evasion.  But then they didn't really, did they.   

It was initiated by the OECD an international body made up of 32(?) countries and probably controlling most of the world economy.  All done behind closed doors and no-one there to say "No".

 

Waved through by one party, I don't remember our Loyal Opposition at Westminster making so much as a squeak of opposition to to any of it.  Or the subject of such a vast increase in govt. snooping being widely discussed before our recent election, or at any other time.  Perhaps the A.I that runs my newsfeed decided that I needn't be bothered by such trivia.  So much for Democracy.

 

But the jig-saw is being fitted together.  We're all being pushed into doing everything on-line and better still, into doing it on our mobile devices so that we can be tracked 24/7 with everything we say, where we say it and to whom.  What we earn, spend and how/when/where we do both all on record.

 

Make no mistake, this isn't just about catching benefit fraud or a few people on ebay selling charity-shop items without paying a few £s in tax.  It's about CONTROL.

 

Perhaps those cheering at the moment won't be quite so loud in their applause when the (A.I controlled) taxi won't stop, because they haven't done their 5000 steps today.

Or A.I controlled ebay wrecks their business because they were caught messaging about protesting against a govt. project near them.

This is the thin end of the wedge and is really about control, of your money and through it, your lives.

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Hopefully it wasn't created by the same people who created the Horizon horror 😩

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Worse the AI content was created in collaboration with ebay !

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Sounds like the old TV license van ads

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Looks like the PM is also looking at clamping down on benefits on

top of HMRC weeding out private businesses .

 

I recently had my UCs ended because I have savings . Fair enough, but 

could have easily beat the system by as self employed putting my savings 

direct into a personal pension and not my current shares portfolio. (my savings)

 

When I went last time to UCs, looking around at the amount of claimants wearing 

brand name clothes and scrolling on the latest smartphones. No doubt having 

lavish party lifestyles and holidays, to then say they have no savings.

Gets off my soap box

 

But getting back to the OP. Universal credits, as per me when doing their checks 

did ask for all bank statements so they could forward on to those above. This would also show 

any suspicious trading activity that has not been mentioned by the claimant.

 

 

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Tax crime prosecutions have hit a three-year high as HMRC adopts a more aggressive approach to compliance. It opened 93,000 investigations in the three months to September 30, up from the recent quarterly average of 78,000.

They're likely to climb much higher as Labour declares open warfare on tax evasion and avoidance.

HMRC is launching a "more aggressive compliance push" with Reeves committing an extra £1.4billion to hire 5,000 extra tax investigators in the Budget

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@messier44000 wrote:

When I went last time to UCs, looking around at the amount of claimants wearing 

brand name clothes and scrolling on the latest smartphones. No doubt having 

lavish party lifestyles and holidays, to then say they have no savings.

any suspicious trading activity that has not been mentioned by the claimant.


This is a world I've got some knowledge of and I'd say 99/100 the showing off ends at the doorstep, the clothes are fake, the phones on tick, the accommodation less than nothing to envy. With no savings their future looks bleak and I don't say that with any degree of glee. But I also agree it's unfair that in some situations those with savings are effectively penalised for being prudent.

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It's just so easy now to open up some sort of "business", thanks to things like social media but also the plain fact that everyone thinks they are an expert based on watching a few YT videos and for trades, the fact that tools and kit has never been cheaper or more readily available. Fancy setting yourself up as an electrician? No regulation (don't get me started on Part P!) and you don't even have to be a Ltd. company or provide references, the local trade counter is desperate to meet their targets and will sell cash to anyone, failing that Screwfix will deliver to the door. I'm not saying these barriers being broken down are always a bad thing, but it is 'no surprise' that there is a whole generation now having-a-go at evening and weekend tax free sidelines advertised FoC through mates on Facebook. That can mean by doing work as described or buying and reselling tat from Aliexpre55. None of these things issues even 10 years ago I'd say, not to the extent they appear to be now.

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I hope they tackle the MLMs, especially the predatory higher ups in these schemes 

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HMRC Connect grabs information from your bank and building society, debit and credit cards, credit reference agencies, crypto asset platforms and insurers.

 

Yeah, I don't think so.

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'crypto asset platforms'

 

No, I don't think so either....  I'm fairly certain the whole point of the crypto thing is that it's un-tracable

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Apparently...

 

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Can HMRC track crypto?

Yes - HMRC can track cryptocurrency. By tapping into information from exchanges like Crypto.com, HRMC is able to keep tabs on crypto transactions and target investors who are not meeting their tax obligations.

  • HMRC has a data-sharing program with all UK exchanges

  • HMRC has crypto transaction data from as far back as 2014

  • HMRC has the KYC information you provided when signing up for any UK exchange or wallet" 

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@myriad*seller wrote:

Apparently...

 

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Can HMRC track crypto?

Yes - HMRC can track cryptocurrency. By tapping into information from exchanges like Crypto.com, HRMC is able to keep tabs on crypto transactions and target investors who are not meeting their tax obligations.

  • HMRC has a data-sharing program with all UK exchanges

  • HMRC has crypto transaction data from as far back as 2014

  • HMRC has the KYC information you provided when signing up for any UK exchange or wallet" 


This is pretty much made up. That pool of crypto users would be a tiny puddle comprising those who haven't a clue. 

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I must say, this is a horrid thread to start and post all of that info (some of that is incorrect and scaremongering, btw).

 

Lots of online private sellers are already worried enough about this (given the amount of threads we see). It's pretty unkind to post this kind of stuff and give some even more sleepness nights. 

 

It's the sort of stuff you usually see on FaceBook, I can't see that Seller Central is the place for it.

 

1990 rule - 1% of material on the internet is original, 9% is copied and tweaked a bit, 90% is just regurgitated chunks. 

 

 

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Got to agree 

Basically if your a genuine Private seller selling off your own collection or grannies hand me downs, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

HMRC are NOT interested in you.

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None of ot is scaremongering or incorrect, all of this information is in the public domain - Have you something to worry about ? If not none of it applies to you - so nothing to worry about.

 

For those who voted for the current Government and their pledge to not increase taxes for the working man - this is just another way to accelerate  and boost revenue ,  trading on private ebay accounts are likely to be the main target for ebay members. 

 

Are you suggesting that ebay private account holders should be kept in the dark about what is happening within HMRC that could affect them especially those who are trading and not declaring ? 

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@dch2112011 wrote:

None of ot is scaremongering or incorrect, all of this information is in the public domain - Have you something to worry about ? If not none of it applies to you - so nothing to worry about.

 

There's a ton of info in public domain about loads of stuff - some of it is correct, some is incorrect and some falls into a grey area. 

 

Why would me questioning the appropriateness of your lengthy chunk of doom and gloom indicate to you that I have something to worry about? So lame. What I'm worried about is the eBayers who are already worried about HMRC, many unnecessarily. There are some worried people out there (we've seen posts from them across the various eBay Community boards), your post will put the fear of God into them. Just be nice.

 

For those who voted for the current Government and their pledge to not increase taxes for the working man - this is just another way to accelerate  and boost revenue ,  trading on private ebay accounts are likely to be the main target for ebay members. 

 

Are you suggesting that ebay private account holders should be kept in the dark about what is happening within HMRC that could affect them especially those who are trading and not declaring ? 

 

Absolutely not, I'm one of the first to advise on those issues, but do try to stick to just a couple of relevant and palatable easy to read paragraphs so that the info can be digested. 


 

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Glad to see you have nothing to worry about - How about letting other members decide whether they should worry or not ?

 

If a member is trading and not declaring, disguising the activity on ebay by using  private seller status to claim that  the 1000's of items are  personal effects - perhaps they should worry ?  or even better get their house in order !

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@dch2112011 wrote:

Glad to see you have nothing to worry about - How about letting other members decide whether they should worry or not ?

 


Just saying that a lot of people are worried about it who needn't be, and copying great chunks from a Daily Express article (quality journalism there 😀) which is a scaremongering piece (whatever spin you decide to put on it) is not beneficial.

 

My words are my words, I've put them together (if you see great chunks of anything I've advised on any consumer site it's because I've written it for them). 

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Do your research ! you will find that everything stated is correct and backed by HMRC, they even won an award for the system !  

 

Ask the chancellor of the exchequer why she has given 1.4 billion to recruite 5000 new tax investigators !

 

Trying to put a personal view point  dismissing information and rubbishing the source when it is already documented and backed up by virtuallly every accredited financial institution , the UK government and european community  really is unhelpful to members - it just spreads disinformation.

 

There is no need to plagiarise information as you suggest - you can simply use the information published and researched as a point of information

 

The practice of trying to discredit information to suit your own purpose without substantiation isn't very helpful.

 

The fact that HMRC are being funded and instructed to increase their compliance activity is documented from the highest source - as is the statement that HMRC connect can mine information including bank accounts,  even plane tickets !

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