18-06-2015 10:51 PM
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/calais-migrants-face-catastrophe-153936990.html#3RP7sMo
The situation can't go on?
Not only can the stowaway situation there not continue, the constant flow of people trying to get to Europe and/or Britain cannot continue either.
Those people should be told that there's nothing for them except a life in a refugee camp. They can't become a "normal" member of society in their target country because they can't speak the language and those that get here (legally or illegally) don't seem to want to bother to learn either. They can't do anything useful except work that's already over subscribed so their only work is going to be an exploited modern form of slavery.
They're looking for a short-cut to a way of life that's taken a couple of thousand years to achieve and they're many centuries behind.
It's high time they were "educated" about the facts of illegal immigration and shown what has happened to many who went before them and all efforts should be made to dissuade and/or prevent them starting out in the first place rather than dealing with them en route or at their destination.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
19-06-2015 12:01 AM
What 'form' would you suggest this 'education' should take?
19-06-2015 2:38 AM
I suggest a world war on dictators and then once we are rid of them ,all live happilly ever after anywhere you damn well want .Allocation of resources to be even and nobody on earth allowed more than 1000000 thats the target to aspire to (Not given a mill and thats it but a yoyo million) ....quick sum errr
6 billion x 1 million equals 600 trillion................err hang on thats exactly what the world has ...its like it was all planned out in advance isnt it and and and no one has more than anyone else yippee freeeeeedom utopia and .....wait ??? its not gonna work is it ,because
'' I EARNED IT ITS MINE'' lives here too ....ah well ...what was the question again .aaaannnnnd.......
Off to warmer climate now , Its fa airly enjoyable forum this one bar the odd mod for nothing ,you guys would be better on a more used national forum as you all seem pretty clued up .
Cheers for putting up with me
regards to all
Jo .:)
19-06-2015 10:18 AM
I'd show them some video about the camp at Calais, the "reception centres" in the UK, the reception/holding areas in other countries (Italy and Greece?). I'd show them some video in English or the language of their target country and ask them how much of it they understood. Then I'd ask them how they expected to earn a living in their target country then tell them just how much of a chance they'd stand of getting such employment.
Finally, I'd show them video of people in their target country being interviewed and asked what they thought of the hordes of migrants heading for their country and I'd tell them quite bluntly that they were just not desirable as migrants!
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
19-06-2015 10:25 AM
19-06-2015 10:26 AM
Spot on, well said.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
19-06-2015 11:13 AM
19-06-2015 11:19 AM
Re that bit about climate change from the Pope......
Just have a look at the fossil and rock "records" and see the changes on climate over the eons of time when humans didn't exist. There was no-one burning fossil fuels then.
For climate change look up at that big Yellow thing "up in the sky"................
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
19-06-2015 11:25 AM
19-06-2015 6:11 PM
@******lynda****** wrote:
I think they don't realise that by flooding other countries, they would just end up creating the same sort of environment as they have run from. ...the fighting, the hunger and deprivation. I have always said the main problem in the world is its expanding population. And it is sad that those who go forth and multiply the most are those who have the fewest resources to feed themselves and their families, and then look to everyone else to keep them supplied.
I find it sad and overbearingly patronising when people suggest that the third worlds problems are due to over-reproduction and it is this that is driving climate change and other enviromental changes.
The third world do NOT have the fewest resources - the third world do NOT cause the greatest pollution.
We in the west individually use many times the resources of anyone in the third world - use energy sourced from fossil fuels in a massive multiple of anyoen in the third world - just compare these images.
To blame overpopulation in third world countries for problems in the West is simply trying to absolve the West from blame.
19-06-2015 6:15 PM
Maybe easier to appreciate those satellite images in a higher resolution
Europe
Africa
19-06-2015 6:43 PM
Well, I answered your question? So what's your solution because blaming high energy usage isn't the answer to the problems outlined in the OP and afterwards. (Remember? we were on about migrants?)
How does having loads of children the parents can't (easily) feed and look after make their way of life "right" and our way "wrong"?
Look back at Southern Rhodesia and compare it to Zimbabwe now?
In many parts of the World, you could blame the old Colonialists but "The People" wanted to "rule" themselves and now they do, look what they've done with it?
Some of the "poor" are even poorer and there are many more of them now but those "running the show" are as bent as a fourpenny piece and don't care how poor those people are and given the chance (which they mostly are) they repress and exploit the poor much more and a great deal more badly than their old Colonial masters ever did.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
19-06-2015 9:53 PM
19-06-2015 10:25 PM
" Plenty of people in this country have children, expecting the state to provide for them" do you have any statistics for that?
it's those same children who will be paying our pensions
19-06-2015 10:27 PM
If only there were a solution which would gain broad support. At the moment the race for wealth and by that I mean wealth for a handful of nations prohibits any chance of seeing a falling population. Current economic thinking is at best single generational beyond that someone else can deal with it, that's the attitude. Stewardship of the planet is a shared responsibility only when we wake up to that responsibility can we start to repair the damage.
19-06-2015 10:34 PM
How about getting back on topic?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
19-06-2015 10:57 PM
19-06-2015 11:32 PM
The thing is, over population happened in Africa long before now and was usually resolved by either warfare of one sort or another, disease or starvation and that was nothing to do with climate change.
So, back on topic, it's only relatively recently unwanted migration has become a problem and some questions are, has that been provoked by greater mobility, easy communication and the availability of transport over great distances all coupled with the greater knowledge about the payment of benefits of one sort or another in the target countries?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
20-06-2015 3:54 AM - edited 20-06-2015 3:57 AM
This may not be a solution that we could all live with but I, for one, will give it a go for a year or so and see how it goes.
1 ..... Everybody in the country gets one immigrant as a slave.
2 ..... By everybody, I mean each family. so a father, mother and 2.4 kids like we are all told equals a full family equates to a full family gets one immigrant each. as do each single boy or daughter that leaves home. That doesn't make sence but I hope you get my drift.
3 ..... Each son is issued with a male immigrant and each daughter is issued with a female one.
4 ..... Each immigrant is paid 10p a day and given food and drink as required.
5 ..... Each immigrant (or "IMM" as they may be called in future.) will get 10 square feet of earth in a garden or yard etc where they can create a home for themselves. If room and convenience allow, they will also be given 10 square yards of land on which they can create some form of land to provide crops etc.
6 ..... There will be no meetings between groups of IMM's even if it means chaining them to a suitable tree or similar item. That way, there will be no IMM's being born within the community. As time passes and funds become available, each IMM can be "doctored".
7 ..... Any female IMM that has a half cast child will have the father removed from general population and put in jail as a pervert for at least 10 years,
8 More rules to come as I think of them but how are they looking so far?
Happy days.
Stevie
20-06-2015 11:21 AM
@joamur_gosof wrote:I suggest a world war on dictators and then once we are rid of them ,all live happilly ever after anywhere you damn well want .Allocation of resources to be even and nobody on earth allowed more than 1000000 thats the target to aspire to (Not given a mill and thats it but a yoyo million) ....quick sum errr
6 billion x 1 million equals 600 trillion................err hang on thats exactly what the world has ...its like it was all planned out in advance isnt it and and and no one has more than anyone else yippee freeeeeedom utopia and .....wait ??? its not gonna work is it ,because
'' I EARNED IT ITS MINE'' lives here too ....ah well ...what was the question again .aaaannnnnd.......
Off to warmer climate now , Its fa airly enjoyable forum this one bar the odd mod for nothing ,you guys would be better on a more used national forum as you all seem pretty clued up .
Cheers for putting up with me
regards to all
Jo .:)
'I suggest a world war on dictators' If only Jo.
Most countries do not indulge in warfare. It is a matter of concern and distress to most people in the world that a significant handful of countries, often in defiance of United Nations' principles, are almost constantly at war, either overtly, or through the support and provocation of others. Blair, and Bush, are just two examples.
In the human psyche
it is a fatal flaw,
a perversion of the human mind,
using our greatest brains to create
outrageous threats to all mankind.
War is
the proudest disrespect
for sanctity of human life,
the ultimate in racism,
the collapse of morality.
War is the ultimate in criminality
the ultimate obscenity,
the ultimate crime against humanity.
So shall we honour war?
And should we now praise troubled men?
Or should we remember what war is
and give it true meaning
to ''Never again'' ?
Du, ju, no, wot? I wrote that. Well...just now I did.