@astrologica wrote:
That's very commendable, and it's good that that person had support. But he is just one person. There is a far bigger picture here. And you haven't answered the OP's original question.....what would your answer to this problem be? It's easy to criticise other posters words, but can you offer a solution?
Yes, Mathias is “just one person”. However, via this “just one person” I learned first hand what a nightmare the whole Asylum process is. Contrary to the “life of Riley” I suspect many here believe it is, it’s not something I’d wish to inflict on my worst enemy. When you’re of good character, have put significant amounts of effort into your local community, and find yourself bundled off to a detention centre, it’s not very nice. Also, the way Mathias was treated sent a big loud message to other Asylum Seekers that their best chances lay in “staying off the grid” and working illegally rather than seek Asylum via legitimate means.
Anyway, in the “community spirit” of things, I thought highlighting Mathias’ case would put a different perspective on things rather than simply write off Asylum Seekers as a large swathe of “undesirables”. There are names and faces to “these people” beyond Goldstein-esque caricatures the gutter press like to portray for purposes of the “two minutes hate”.
Yes, it is easy to criticise other posters words - It’s a pretty open goal when the OP writes of needing to “educate” migrants they are not wanted, yet on this thread complex issues such as climate change are simply reduced to being caused by “the yellow thing in the sky”! To put it bluntly, this is Poe’s Law territory and the sort of stuff Key Stage 2 kids would be beyond. Blaming “Islam and Catholicism” for climate change and high resource consumption is also ludicrous, and is simply not supported by the facts
http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/population_energy
Whilst overpopulation in some parts of the developing world is definitely an issue, it doesn’t always equate to high resource consumption. Most significantly, it’s *how* they become industrialised and developed which becomes an issue. Esp if industrialised with a reliance on finite resources which leave large carbon footprints– e..g China & India. Also, much of the focus is on birth rates in developing countries, ignoring the fact that life expectancy has increased in developed ones (USA & in Europe).
As for a “solution”, there is no realistic quick fix, just numerous small things everyone can do. I’d imagine many here would like to see a solution of a “final” variety, but hey, we’re not all Katie Hopkins. I agree with the gist of Creeky’s point, the only way to stop large influxes of migrants is to reduce the factors which push them out in the first place – particularly war and famine.
Here’s a good starting point: http://www.projects-abroad.org/volunteer-projects/building/
It doesn’t help that many Arms Companies. (e.g BAE Systems) flog weapons to authoritarian regimes. Nor does it help when said arms end up in the hand of terrorists. You only have to look at Iraq, and the knock-on effect on Syria to see the consequences. People can do their bit by donating to CAAT each month https://www.caat.org.uk/ Also, it’ll never happen, but Blair and Bush should be tried for War crimes in order to deter any other megalomaniacs from doing the same in the future. I dread to think what’ll happen should Bush II be elected in 2016.
Another problem is there are a large section of folks (inc this thread it seems) who are in complete denial about man-made Climate Change. If you’re looking for a religious group to point the finger at, try Evangelical Christians in The States (World biggest Energy consumers) who believe taking action against Climate Change will disrupt ”End Times” and Revelations.
http://www.rawstory.com/2013/05/belief-in-end-times-stifling-climate-change-action-in-u-s-study/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-elijah-dann/christians-climate-change_b_3668179.html
You could even buy into this claptrap in the UK courtesy of UKIP, but for some reason, they’ve since removed the big man’s plan for us all from their shop. http://web.archive.org/web/20100612231957/http://ukip.org/shop/product/view/80-while-the-earth-endur...
That aside, imo it’s pretty damn important significant investment is made in renewable and carbon-neutral energy sources – both in developed & developing countries. This should’ve happened like 20 years ago.
Alternatively, a quick-fix “solution” would be to deport every single migrant. Whilst I suspect this may be initially popular with the Enoch Powell fan club, I’m not so sure they’d appreciate the consequences. The NHS would collapse. Hundred of thousands of pensioners would die off as a result, thus freeing up billions from the welfare budget, and also free up some space of this “overcrowded island” of ours. Call it “survival of the fittest”. Personally, “I’m alright Jack” could quite easily survive a collapse of the NHS, however, I don’t think it would be particularly humane to allow this to happen.
Perhaps a social conscience that extends beyond our own backyards may be the way ahead?
@blackburn_stevie wrote:
Bookhunter ...... re post 31 .... Some people just don't have a sense of humour at all. That's what makes the world so boring.
Speak for yourself! By the looks of post #19 you're obviously struggling. Maybe it might be worth giving Bernard Manning or Jim Davidson a call for some tips?
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How much say do you think the Chinese people have in the way their government acts?
