he Iron Lady - Maggie

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OOps Bank posted between my response and Stryver's post



 


That always seems to happen to me when I attempt a quick reply. 🙂

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#111


 


It would be interesting to find out how many times a reader's comment was green arrowed 10,000 times at the Daily Mail, especially a comment that goes against the grain of the usual right-wing sentiment found in their readers' comments.


 


You don't see that very often.

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Maggies is doing in death what she did in life.


 


Causing people to have strong and passionate veiws.


 


TBH, the truth about Maggies term in office is probably somewhere between the extreme veiws.


 


Yes, she did some things that benefits society, and affected many people. She also did some stuff that was maybe not so well thought out.


 


She was however the person that will be blamed by some sections of society for destroying many industried, mining included.  These are the mines that saw more closures and redundancies under Harold Wilson than it ever did under Thatcher.  The main reason the mines closed was Scargill.


 


The changes in the industrial world had more effect on industry than Thatcher did.


 


Whoever had been in power during this time would have over seen the decline of the heavy industries.


 


The first negative thing that she was accused of was stopping free school milk, most will remember the rhyme Maggies Thatcher, Milk snatcher. - but who's budget was that measure introduced under?


 


Mush of what has been spouted about her has been fuelled with a major political spion, from BOTH sides.


 


As always, the truth is in the middle.


 


 

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No intention here of getting in the way of maggie supporters but forgiving her actions whilst your all paying the price of her consequences now is odd. Tony blair admired her more than the tories (apart from her dinner guest ones)


 


.She wanted privatisation to wealth her and hers up ,how is that a leader of all ? 


If you forgive and forget the likes of blair will always remain in our parliaments ,the stand against her would show greed merchants they can no longer use you as the worlds mugs.


 


Her daughter carol is a witty charming person so if we just stick to a tribute of someones mother who did a few things that you could be proud of ,fine but no need for anything but a family and friends send off with peoples thoughts. ,


 Mass extravaganda ,tv ,chat shows oppertunity knocks ? fine then I am not missing the stance against the real agenda of politics today that she allowed to thrive corrupt and enjoy a freedom of power over you all ,for her own gain.The woman as some say is just a woman..Thatcher is a way of life and needs stamping out imo


 


 

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ps, Ask about her and her families world exploits that the power of being a pm gave her,see the happiness she brought to the real poor of this world .


only if you want to of course 🙂

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Many of the diatribes against her are the result of propaganda over the years, say something often enough and it will be believed.


 


I have just seen a list of reasons to hate her which included "23. She invented Quangos", a quite ridiculous accusation since one of the things she stated she would do if elected, would be to cut down the number, I remember it clearly.


 


The 'revelers' recently seen, many of whom have no direct knowledge of the Thatcher government remind me of the group of people discussing whether to go on the big anti war march, I realised that they didn't particularly care about the war but rather joining the march was at the time, the 'thing' to do.

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She wanted privatisation to wealth her and hers up ,how is that a leader of all ?


 


Well that "wealthing" up certainly wasn't connected to the share holdings as in most cases these were offered to the public and to institutions with a strict limit on how many could be bought, in many cases this was a matter of a few hundred pounds.


 


What she did do was make 25% of the UK adult population shareholders - some may consider that a good thing, yet others not.

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they are standing against government not thatcher bank as you say,they no little of her and were definitely not affected by her gov .but good luck to them if do it respectfully,which I doubt they will ,which in the end will just give the gov bullets against the us.


 


Media disgust me (the agenda ones)..,she brought advertising into politics...a reason to dislike maybe ?

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not the case in many cases abroad creeky. I doubt any reasonable voice against her will be heard as they are saying ,divide was the key.


Her I didn't like as a person,but has nothing to do with my stance against thatcherism or govs.


Whether creating a but Im ok is a good thing I will doubtlessly die not knowing as I always think  all rather than me.

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ps of course it makes sense if money is your aim to have your companies have private shareholders rather than law riddled watched state ones. You know this as much as I do.

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pps lol sorry,spamming here...this is why the abroad ventures were not offered shares...no state ownership in 3rd world set ups just a back hand to rulers.

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just for the sake of being a spam (my sense of humour about the other spam argue) and to correct myself at 128...i meant they are definitely affected by her gov. 

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hi # 106, what would be the difference?



 


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Not taking into account she specifically said she didn't want a send off on this scale:|


Irrespective of the amount of money she generated for the country etc etc The whole thing stinks when there are starving kids in this world yet £10 million can be spent on a funeral.


Value for money?:| .



 


If it wasn't for the threat of disruption by extremists and the Funeral could pass with out fear of attacks by the very people who complain about the cost...


 


Then it would cost no where near £10m to lay her to rest...


 


 


 

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I really don't think the people who are against will be there to necessarily protest about the cost, it goes much deeper than that.


Trouble with this country is that people don't get together often enough and shout their views, they just put up with

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If the powers that be expect trouble and are spending to avoid it,then cancel it and do as she herself wanted and let her family hold and organize her send off,as all people generally do.


Not really economic sense to throw money at something that generates hostility from a section of society (unless certain sections want hostility )..and not really extremist to not want a celebration of an extremist, as well as we cannot apparently afford it.


 


 Those who wish to can go and visit and pay respects to her resting place,no cost or trouble expected at all then. What is the argument that says we must do this because ?


 


 

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i find it disgusting that £10,000,000 is being spent to cart a dead person through London, while the very same government have cut the frail and disabled allowances to the core in the name of austerity, yes we are all in this together but only if you are a tory or a £50 note burner.

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What I find very sad is the number of people who have held onto this level of hatred for this woman who was required to step down from politics over two decades ago.



“Celebrating” someone’s death(s) is a bit ghoulish imo – especially those who never actually suffered themselves, or have a meaningful understanding of the negative impact that Thatcher’s policies had. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the partying students start voting Tory when they become accountants and start seeing the £££ signs.


Conversely, it’s very easy for those who condemn Thatcher’s “gravedancers” when as “individuals”, they are ignorant to, or were not directly adversely affected by her policies. And these policies can’t simply be brushed away by blaming the egotistical Scargill, the “it’s your own fault” mentality, or even Tony Blair in his Delorean.  Her policies cut far deeper than “just” the coal industry - which left irreparable scars. She devastated and divided entire communities - black, white and brown – all whilst the rest of the country looked the other way and started flag waving and getting their rocks off on a shock-doctrined national sense of pride after a winning an avoidable fight.  Yet many of those who were fortunate enough to return home from the Falklands found the very communities they came from in pieces and that their compatriots’ gratitude only extending as far as Portsmouth harbour.


“Grand” leaders like Conservative’s Churchill and Labour’s Attlee united the people (regardless of political stripes) in its time of need – both when under the threat of annihilation and when rebuilding it.  Thatcher’s war “heroics” involved saving a few thousand people in the Falklands (who she previously didn't care about) against an imploding psychotic mirror image of her own regime.  Both Galtieri and Thatcher needed a distraction. So announcing the withdrawal of HMS Endurance and the British Nationality Act 1981 would pretty much read as a green light to Galtieri to “come and get it” if any time was good as any. Thatcher needed this war as much as Galtieri to save her political skin (her approval level doubled between before & after conflict) - and she had the ideal opportunity to do so whilst appearing as the non-aggressor.


Prior to invasion, at best, the Thatcher Govt seriously miscalculated and neglected the ability of a panicking regime to make a claim on the Falklands (despite the warning signs being there). At worst, the entire thing was engineered deliberately via "dropped crumbs" to shock-doctrine through her economic policies at home. Either way, engineering a situation where you know the lives of people will be endangered via negligence, vanity, greed, need for popularity, or the masochistic desire to physically harm others is not good. Her son's exploits seem to have that "despicable" Thatcher UK product stamp too.


So, if any person whose lives were adversely affected by Thatcher – be they a Falklands widow - Argentinian or British, Hillsborough survivors, a black resident of Brixton or “terrorists” in Johannesburg; wrongfully arrested Irish political prisoners, surviving relatives of Pinochet’s victims; a steelworker from the North East; miners and minors who witnessed family breakdown due to hardship, then forgive me if I grant them a free pass in an outpouring of emotion triggered by an event which will have caused many painful memories to come flooding back - only to see the very same attack dog press that smeared them in the 80s shoving Nikon lenses in their faces again.  I won’t be joining any gravedancing “party”, but I do understand the reasons why they exist. I also understand why Thatcherites will not have one iota of sympathy or understanding as to why large swathes of people might be a little bit angry about her legacy being glossed up in the mainstream media to Thatcheration point.


Apart from The Levellers, the only positive thing I can be take from Thatcherism is the need for economic self-enterprise. In a global market, it is a necessity whether we like it or not.


This could probably be helped if our daily nationals and job centres were full of ideas to create a “mood” of self-enterprise – how to responsibly day-trade, how to set up business on eBay, how to sell tat, how to win poker money from drunk Americans, how to set up your own online mini “John Lewis” model with colleagues. How to put your PC use to bring in the £. How to bring money into the country. You get the gist.


But no. What do we have?  Our 2 most popular nationals full of the most poisoned propaganda targeting some of the most vulnerable people in society – often found in the very same places where Thatcher’s economic mallet caused so much damage.  We see the writing off of entire sections of society as “scroungers” all so a couple of megalomaniacal meeja bosses can make a few quid by tapping into the hate of comfortably numb emptyheads who are obliviously happy to do the bidding for Cayman Islands customers; The same emptyheads who howl with outrage the moment a tiny fraction of the suffering they are indifferent to see inflicted on others should ever happen to them.


 


I could quite easily join the “I’m all right Jack” brigade in their indifference, as I’m quite a canny chap in keeping wolves from the door. However, not everyone is the same, and I’m pretty damn sure I wouldn’t be feeling very enterprising if I’d just lost my job and there was a very strong public discourse that I was a worthless “scrounger” as I took the walk of shame to the local job centre to sign-on. When we start encouraging self-enterprise instead of trying to "shame" people into unstable jobs, and start sussing out that maybe the Scandinavians offer impressive and responsible economic policies – THEN I’ll dance a jig at the death of Thatcherism.

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i find it disgusting that £10,000,000 is being spent to cart a dead person through London, while the very same government have cut the frail and disabled allowances to the core in the name of austerity, yes we are all in this together but only if you are a tory or a £50 note burner.


This i agree with..a waste of public money.

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