@upthecreekyetagain wrote:
Not sure the NHS is a good argument for leaving - quite the contrary I would have thought - as with the care system many of the low paid jobs rely on migrants - one of the areas I'd like more information on before deciding - what's going to happen as regards EU migrants employed in this country if the vote is for 'out'.
Firstly with regard to future of workers if we leave, there is no reason anything should change dramatically, workers should just apply for the appropriate visa's to stay and work - just as UK workers do now if they go to work overseas in the US or any country outside the EU. Besides the make up of the NHS is from the world over - especially the Philippines so not sure why it should make any difference if we employ someone from France or Germany? Give them a visa and its sorted! Australia has existed like this for years and is better off for it!
You hit the nail on the head with low paid workers - the EU has long been used as a supply chain to keep wages down by using low paid overseas labour. Maybe if we left, the UK government would be forced into paying more realistic wages for care workers and that would then attract more people to do the job!
Secondly:
If we don't leave - their will be no NHS for you or your family to rely on.
I'll explain how I arrive at that conclusion...
My wife worked as a teacher for 30 years and took early retirement last year because she'd had enough. Enough of the massive increase in migrants that were destroying the educational fabric of the school and making her job impossible to do! She was a good teacher as are many of the others who still teach at that school. However approx 8-10 years ago the influx of what were then called 'asylum seekers' was putting a growing strain on the system. Standards fell, exam results fell and teachers started to leave - especially after their pensions were being pillaged by Gordon Brown and co! Nothing changed under the tories and Michael Gove and other education ministers demanded 'higher standards in core subjects such as English'. Well thats very difficult to achieve when you have approx 200 migrants from Roumania alone who have never been to school let alone speak English! The school is destined to fail - and the teaching staff are the fall guys! As staff leave they are replaced by less experienced and sometimes poorly trained replacements - BUT THEY ARE CHEAPER! The road to decay has begun!
When my wife handed in her resignation the headmaster kept asking her to change her mind, he kept giving her the letter back, but thank God she insisted! Today the school has terrible staffing problems in core subject areas such as Maths and English. Only last week my wife spoke at length to a teacher who is still at the school and he told her he could not wait to leave as it was a living hell. It's now a tinder box with many of the other ethnic mixes ready to do battle with the Roumanians (and migrants from other countries) - Fights are commonplace because quite simply these different groups hate each other!
Back in the early days of migrants arriving the school had a member of staff who was dedicated to ensuring newly arrived families settled in to the local community and parents were aware of their part in their childrens education. The staff member responsible for these children frequently discussed with my wife many issues that arose concerning these newly arrived migrants.
Children would be there one week and the next week the whole family would be gone elsewhere, these kids were totally unruly, they would get up and walk out of lessons and would often not be seen again for several days. These kids had little or no experience of a school and so did not know what it was all about.
I have never forgotten one comment that this staff member said to my wife. "Do you know Judith (name changed), there is not one of these children that I'm dealing with, that does not have one or more members of their family who have come here to make use of the NHS - they have come here purely for that reason alone"!
If you think I'm wrong - vote yes and take the risk with your families lives.
Unless we leave the EU we will never have any control over our borders - and Europe will force us to accept our share of these migrants. The end result will be lower standards in Education, a declining NHS which will eventually go belly up and there will be no way back!
There are already shortages in housing, cut backs on benefits for disabled, room taxes on elderly tennants in council houses and in general an infrastructure in this country that is under extreme pressure. There are so many different nationalities all queueing up to come to the UK - and mostly they are health tourists and here for the benefits. Yes some are fleeing conflicts, but why choose the UK? Simply because there are better benefits! That is why the Polish Government are objecting to David Cameron suggesting we pay a reduced rate of benefit in line with what is paid in Poland.
Finally security wise - we're better of closing the borders now before Paris comes to London.. or Manchester or wherever....
As for myself I could lose out from Uk leaving the EU because I have my house in France, but I think the NHS is more valuable to me, to you and our children!
VOTE OUT - or you'll regret it!
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