It's been a while :-)

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-no1-2018-jan-feb/bible-guidance-relevant/

 

 

 

A topic that is being offered for discussion this month. Some may find it interesting xxx

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Heck, you were up late?

 

It's not the same. All those ancient beliefs were not based on any facts. They were just "beliefs" based on the say-so of supposed "scholars" just repeating what had been said for ages before.

 

When proper facts started to emerge, those believing the old sayings didn't like it and tried to supress the new findings. See what happened to what Copernicus said?



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You’ve not chosen a very good example there!

 

Firstly Copernicus’ major theory was that the Sun sat stationary at the centre of the Universe - which all current theories suggest is incorrect.

 

Secondly his work on this theory was dedicated to Pope Paull III - hardly indicative of a negative attitude by the Church towards his theory.

 

Thirdly he held deep religious beliefs himself and whilst there is no devinitive proof either way he may well have been an ordained priest and most certainly held a doctorate in Canon Law.

 

It wasn’t until long after his death when his book, which included details of his theory, was ‘banned’ by both the Catholic and Protestant Churches.  

 

Copernicus lived a long life for the times and died aged 70 in good standing with the Church. 

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It depends how you look at it.

 

His ideas were frowned on and ridiculed (but almost tolerated?). Had he not propounded his theory that the Sun (not the Earth) was at the centre of the Universe, he would probably have progressed in the Catholic Church. (one of his mates was burned at the stake for following what Copernicus said).

 

His book was banned by the church for over 200 years so that's hardly an endorsement?

 

Would you rather I'd chosen Galileo?



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Indeed. Until fairly recently ie less than 100 years ago,  the Universe was considered relatively small by current standards, static, unchanging & an inert stage on which forces & matter played out their role.
All that science has gone, & been replaced

 

It's now exponentially larger, changing, expanding, & considered a fundamental player in events not just a backdrop

 

I am unclear what 'proper facts' are but it seems so is the originator

 

A 'fact' would be that the CPS are the ones who generally make the choice of charging or not, not 'the cops'
Strange how often I've seen that same error crop up time and again from the same source over the years, along with other similar ones

 

That doesn't suggest much regard for facts

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Perhaps you'd like to come up with some "facts" rather than the usual convoluted criticisms?



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I already have. 

 

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Going back to ancient scripts....... (OK, I hear the groans....)

 

Early formulations of what became the bible were written with access to ancient scripts we no longer have. Later formulations relied on those early writings but without access to the "originals" and relied upon what had been earlier formulated but they also had access to other ancient scripts the earlier writers didn't have. It all seems a bit of a mish-mash?

 

No-one knows "where it all started" but down the ages it was a convenient way to explain (what was then) the inexplicable. Later it became a form of control. Is it any different today?

 

Moving on.......

 

The Earth has been here a long time (compared to our life-span) and if god was responsible for it all, why, for instance did he create the dinosaurs then wipe them out in their (the dinosaurs) armageddon? It seems a strange way to go on?

 

There are those who say that never happened, god created the Earth as it stands now and all the ancient rock strata along with the fossils was created like that. Really?

 

Radio Carbon dating (The decay of Carbon 12, 13 & 14 to Nitrogen) only works over the last 50,000 years or so and a form of dating for really old things is Stratigraphy, that leads to a load of other "stratigraphies". Also, there's the study of the  decay of several elements (Uranium and Thorium to Lead, Rubidium to Strontium, Potassium to Argon.....). One of the "stratigraphies) is Magnetostratigraphy which studied the changes in the Earth's magnetic field which is locked up in the stratified rocks.

 

All of the above are "very interesting" but do the creationists take any notice or have any explanation for it all?



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http://locklip.com/dinosaurs-lived-as-recent-as-33000-years-ago-according-to-new-archaeological-evid...

 

Dinosaurs Lived as Recent as 33,000 Years Ago, According to New Archaeological Evidence

 

 

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Some "dinosaurs" are still alive?



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Is the first paragraph encrypted ?

Romans at that time should have read RT then because they took the opposite view of Christianity and saw it not as a means of control but as a threat to their rule and often executed early Christians 

dinosaur Q is a bit kindergarten 

The penultimate paragraph first line is simply wrong 
Carbon 12 (99%) 11 are stable and C12 used as an international standard 
Superposition is merely a blunt, relative scale with no dating in itself, similar last point 
and you can find the reverse situation with most recent rocks on bottom , oldest on top...examples in SW UK
Geology BTW had major revisions in sixties seventies 

Like old 40's 50's school question on adding apples and oranges together 
They are different 
Religious texts are not History books, though some of Exodus has limited support from Egyptian history 
They aren't science either since that was much later 
They are essentially books/ writings relating to faith 
Applying an inappropriate measure shows a lack of understanding and is essentially off topic given the numbers

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Cults come in all shapes and sizes? They all seem to revolve around some sort of end of the world or second coming? 

 

Also, they seem to also have "Those who are not with us are against us" as a fundamental motto. Once you're in, you're in and if you leave, that's it, you don't exist? (That is, if you can get away at all?)

 

Now, have a full and proper read of this:-

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45492913



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Only just come back to this and see Busty didn’t reply
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There's some flat-earthers on the prowl:-

 

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/conspiracy-theorists-try-convince-nottingham-213...



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Well, it's certainly been a while so here's an extract from a letter by Alfred Einstein:-

 

The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong, and whose thinking I have a deep affinity for, have no different quality for me than all other people.



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What has God done for you?

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”​—John 3:16, King James Version.


That is one of the best-known and most widely quoted texts in the entire Bible. It has been said that no other verse “so succinctly summarizes God’s relationship with humanity and the way of salvation.” For that reason, in some countries this scripture or simply the reference “John 3:16” is often displayed at public events, on car stickers, in graffiti, and elsewhere.
In all likelihood, those who display the text feel convinced that God’s love guarantees their everlasting salvation. What about you? What does God’s love mean to you? And what do you think God has done that demonstrates his love for you?


“God so Loved the world”


Many people are willing to credit God with the creation of the physical universe, nature, and humans themselves. Living organisms are so intricate and well made that there must surely be some great intelligence behind their existence. A good number of people thank God daily for the gift of life. They also recognize that they are completely dependent on God for all of life’s necessities​—such as air, water, food, and the earth’s natural cycles—​so that they can continue to live and enjoy what they do.


We do well to thank God for all these things, for he truly is our Maker and Sustainer. (Psalm 104:10-28; 145:15, 16; Acts 4:24) We can appreciate God’s love for us when we think about all that he is doing just to make life possible. The apostle Paul put it this way: “[God] gives to  all people life and breath and all things. For by him we have life and move and exist.”​—Acts 17:25, 28.
God’s love, however, is expressed in more ways than just caring for us physically. He has also elevated and dignified us by giving us spiritual capacity and helping us to satisfy it. (Matthew 5:3) In this way, obedient mankind has the prospect of becoming part of God’s family, his “children.”​—Romans 8:19-21.


As John 3:16 goes on to say, God showed his love for us by sending his Son, Jesus, to the earth to teach us about his God and Father and to die for us. Many, though, will admit that they do not truly understand why it was necessary for Jesus to die for mankind and how Jesus’ death is an expression of God’s love for us. Let us see how the Bible explains the reason for Jesus’ death and its value.

 


“He Gave his Only Begotten Son”


All mankind is mortal, subject to the scourge of sickness, old age, and death. Yet that is not what Jehovah God originally purposed. He gave the first humans the prospect of living forever in a paradise on earth. But there was one condition: They had to obey him. God said that if they chose not to, they would die. (Genesis 2:17) The first man did indeed rebel against God’s authority, and he brought death upon himself and his offspring. “Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned,” explains the apostle Paul.​—Romans 5:12.


God, however, “loves justice.” (Psalm 37:28) Even though he could not ignore the deliberate act of transgression on the part of the first man, God has not condemned all humanity to suffering and death forever on account of one man’s disobedience. On the contrary, by applying the legal principle of “life for life,” he has balanced the scales of justice and made everlasting life possible once again for obedient humans. (Exodus 21:23)

 

The question is, How could Adam’s loss of perfect human life be recovered? The answer: Someone had to offer up, or sacrifice, a life of equal value to Adam’s​—a perfect human life
Clearly, no imperfect descendant of Adam was capable of offering such a price, but Jesus was. (Psalm 49:6-9) Born without the stain of inherited sin, Jesus was perfect, just as Adam had been. Thus, by surrendering his life, Jesus ransomed mankind from slavery to sin. By so doing, he offered descendants of the first human couple the opportunity to enjoy the same perfect life that Adam and Eve once did. (Romans 3:23, 24; 6:23) Is there anything that we need to do to benefit from such a magnanimous act of love.

 


"Whosoever Believeth in Him"


Going back to John 3:16, we note the words “whosoever believeth in [Jesus] should not perish, but have everlasting life.” This means that gaining the gift of everlasting life is conditional. If we are to “have everlasting life,” we need to believe in Jesus and obey him.
You might wonder: ‘How is obeying involved? Did Jesus not say that “whosoever believeth in him” will have everlasting life?’ Yes, belief, or faith, is essential. However, it is important to remember that in the Bible, faith is much more than simply believing. According to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, the word used by John in the original language signifies “reliance upon, not mere credence.” In order to have God’s favour, one needs more than a mental recognition that Jesus is the Savior. The believer must also sincerely endeavor to apply what Jesus taught. If there is no action, any profession of faith is hollow. “Faith without works is dead,” says the Bible. (James 2:26)

 

Put another way, what is required of the believer is that he exercise faith in Jesus​—that is, he must live in accord with his belief and faith Paul explains the point this way: “The love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have concluded, that one man [Jesus] died for all . . . And he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised up.” (2 Corinthians 5:14, 15)

 

Sincere gratitude for Jesus’ sacrifice should move us to make changes in our life​—from selfishly living for ourselves to living for Jesus, who died for us. That is to say, we need to give priority in our lives to practicing what Jesus taught. Such a change will necessarily affect our values, our choices, and everything we do. What will be the reward for those who do believe and exercise faith in Jesus?

 

 

"Should not perish, but have everlasting life"


The last part of John 3:16 expresses God’s promise to those who exercise faith in the ransom provision and live according to divine standards. God intends that such faithful ones “should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Different destinies, however, await individuals who benefit from God’s love.


To one group, Jesus promised everlasting life in heaven. He clearly told his faithful disciples that he was about to prepare a place for them so that they might rule with him in glory. (John 14:2, 3; Philippians 3:20, 21) Those resurrected to life in heaven “will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.”​—Revelation 20:6.


Only a limited number of Christ’s followers would receive such a privilege. In fact, Jesus said: “Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has approved of giving you the Kingdom.” (Luke 12:32) How numerous would that “little flock” be? Revelation 14:1, 4 says: “I saw, and look! the Lamb [the resurrected Jesus Christ] standing on [the heavenly] Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. . . . These were bought from among mankind as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.” In comparison with the countless billions who have ever lived, 144,000 individuals constitute just a “little flock.” These are described as kings, so over whom will they rule?


Jesus spoke of a second group of faithful ones who will receive benefits from the heavenly Kingdom. As seen at John 10:16, Jesus noted: “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.” Those “sheep” look forward to everlasting life on earth​—the same prospect that Adam and Eve originally entertained. How do we know that their future is earthly?


On numerous occasions, the Bible speaks of Paradise conditions to come on earth. To see this for yourself, you might wish to open your Bible and read the following passages: Psalm 37:9-11; 46:8, 9; 72:7, 8, 16; Isaiah 35:5, 6; 65:21-23; Matthew 5:5; John 5:28, 29; Revelation 21:4. Those verses foretell an end to war, famine, sickness, and death. They speak of a time when good people will have the joy of being able to build their own houses, cultivate their own land, and raise their children in peaceful surroundings. Does such a prospect not appeal to you? We have good reason to believe that those promises will soon be realized.

 

 

"God has done Much"


If you pause to consider all that God has done for you and for mankind as a whole, it is clear that he has already done a great deal. We have life, intelligence, a measure of health, and the means necessary to support life. More than that, God’s gift of the ransom through Jesus, who died for us, can mean even greater blessings, as we learn from John 3:16.
Everlasting life in peaceful, pleasant conditions, without the threat of illness, war, famine, or death, would surely open the door to endless happiness and blessings. Whether you will receive those blessings depends entirely on you. The question that remains really is, What are you doing for God?

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Yesterday I was asked if I thought the OP would ever return. Today the same person said "Speak of the devil......"

 

So the unwelcome nonsense starts all over again?



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I found these very interesting facts.

Watching the World

▪ In a survey of some 2,000 people in Germany, almost 40 percent of teens 14 to 19 years of age thought it was all right to end a relationship by text message or e-mail. Over 80 percent of those 50 and older considered this totally unacceptable.​—FRANKFURTER NEUE PRESSE, GERMANY.

▪ It is estimated that 2.3 trillion text messages were sent worldwide during 2008.​—HITU NEWS, TAHITI.

▪ “How much does smoking shorten a person’s life? By five to ten years, on average.”​—UC BERKELEY WELLNESS LETTER, U.S.A.

▪ It is estimated that up to 60 percent of personal computers used in offices in the United States are left on overnight. As a result, some 14.4 million tons of carbon dioxide are needlessly emitted by electric power plants every year.​—WORLD WATCH, U.S.A.

Buses Promote Atheism

“There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.” This slogan has been displayed on 200 buses in London, England; on another 600 countrywide; and on two giant screens in London’s Oxford Street, reports The Guardian newspaper. The originators say that their campaign is in response to religious advertising that condemns nonbelievers to hellfire. The word “probably” is used in order to meet the rules of Britain’s Advertising Standards Authority, since it is impossible to prove that God does not exist. One objective of the campaign is to encourage more atheists to “come out,” to reveal their views.

Risks of Programming Early Childbirth

In the United States, more and more infants are delivered early​—by induced labor or by Cesarean section—​out of convenience. However, the “last weeks of pregnancy are more important than once thought,” says The Wall Street Journal. A study of some 15,000 newborns showed that for every week a baby remained in the womb between the 32nd and 39th weeks, there was a 23 percent drop in seizures, jaundice, respiratory distress, and brain hemorrhages. Infants born at 32 to 36 weeks had increased risk of mild behavioral and cognitive problems. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists thus recommends that babies not be delivered “before 39 weeks unless there is a medical reason to do so,” says the Journal.

Climbing Stairs Improves Health

“Taking the stairs regularly is a simple and practical means to improving health,” reports the British medical journal The Lancet. Researchers asked 69 sedentary employees to use only the stairs at their place of work instead of the elevators. After 12 weeks, the workers’ aerobic capacity had increased by 8.6 percent, which gave them “a 15% reduction in all-cause mortality risk.” The workers also saw significant improvement in their “blood pressure, cholesterol, weight, fat mass, and waist circumference.”

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We are all one family.

 

HOW do you feel about people of a skin color or ethnic group different from your own? Do you view them as equals? Sadly, many view certain races as inferior. “Racism,” according to one reference, is “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.”


This belief has resulted in much harm. Feelings of racial superiority have “provided justification for colonial treatment and slavery of other groups of people,” wrote Professor Wen-Shing Tseng in his Handbook of Cultural Psychiatry. He added that race has been used “to justify social, economic, and political inequalities.” Even today, racism exists in many parts of the world. But is this hurtful belief based on truth? What do science and the Bible say?


What Does Science Say?


Discoveries in genetics have confirmed the fallacy of racism. Researchers studying people from different continents have found that the differences in DNA between any two randomly chosen individuals from virtually anywhere in the world amounted to about 0.5 percent.

* And 86 to 90 percent of those differences occurred within any one racial group. Therefore, just 14 percent or less of the 0.5 percent variation occurred between racial groups.
Because “humans are genetically homogeneous,” says the journal Nature, “genetics can and should be an important tool in helping to both illuminate and defuse the race issue.”

 

“Humans are genetically homogeneous,” or essentially the same

 

Such thinking is not new. Beginning in 1950 the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization published a series of statements intended to combat racism. The statements were authored by anthropologists, geneticists, and sociologists. Yet, racism persists. Clearly, an awareness of the facts is not enough. The heart, or the inner person, must also be reached. “Out of the heart come wicked reasonings,” said Jesus Christ.​—Matthew 15:19, 20.

 

The Bible’s Viewpoint


The Bible was written to appeal to the heart. For example, in addition to stating the scientific truth that “[God] made out of one man every nation of men, to dwell upon the entire surface of the earth,” the Bible also says: “God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.” (Acts 10:34, 35; 17:26) Does that not warm your heart toward God?​—Deuteronomy 32:4.


Jehovah God wants us to show that we love him by becoming like him. “Become imitators of God, as beloved children, and go on walking in love,” says Ephesians 5:1, 2. “Walking in love” includes loving people as God does, regardless of their skin color or ethnicity.​—Mark 12:31.


God will not accept as his servants those whose hearts are filled with badness, including hatred and racial prejudice. (1 John 3:15) In fact, the time is fast approaching when God will wipe all wicked people off the face of the earth. Only those who imitate his qualities will remain. Then mankind will truly be just one family​—physically and spiritually.​—Psalm 37:29, 34, 38.

 

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It's been said that JWs are brainwashed. The more I see of it, the more I know it's true.

 

They use the New World Translation of the Bible with words/phrases subtly altered/changed to suit their twisted view of the World.

 

They're not allowed to reason or discuss any other point of view which is why we see little discussion on here, just acres of copy & paste which no-one reads.

 

Latest bit of JW news:-

 

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/hold-dying-devon-businessman-uses-2497270

 

 



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Am I Expected to Become One of Jehovah’s Witnesses if I Study the Bible With Them?

 

No, you are not obligated in any way. Millions enjoy our Bible study program without becoming members of our congregations.
What you decide to do with that knowledge is up to you. We recognize that faith is a personal matter.​—Joshua 24:15.

 

Can I use my own Bible during the study?

 

Yes. Although we enjoy using the modern-language New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures and will give you a copy free of charge if you would like to have one, we would be happy for you to use your own Bible. You can learn about the Bible’s message of hope and salvation from nearly any translation.


Why do you study with people who don’t join your faith?


Our primary motive is love for Jehovah God, who wants Christians to teach others what they have learned. (Matthew 22:37, 38; 28:19, 20) We feel that there is no greater privilege than to be “God’s fellow workers” in helping people to learn what his Word teaches.​—1 Corinthians 3:​6-9.
We are also motivated by love for our neighbors. (Matthew 22:39) We find joy in sharing with others the wonderful things we have learned.​—Acts 20:35

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