24-06-2016 5:50 AM
yes the UK are out, I was here when we signed in.. so now I hope ebay will sort out the many problems it has, and soon realize the UK will leave ebay also if it dont pull its socks up.
25-06-2016 8:26 PM
astrologica I agree with you 100% on the Welsh assembly AND the Labour councillor's. Time for a change.
25-06-2016 8:46 PM
That gives me hope...the old politics are on the way out.The assembly have had a kick up the backside and now have several UKIP members in there....that will shake it up a bit when the dust settles. This referendum decision has shaken everyone....even the 'Leavers' I think, who didn't really dare to believe they could pull it off. It will take a little while for all of us to get used to the idea that we are 'out'. IMO ,Dave should not have resigned yet...we need a leader, and double quick, to try and unite us all. But ' Bravetart' as Evo so brilliantly named her😂😂😂, is determined to cause havoc, and disunity. I have compete hope and faith that we British can pull it off and be great again.
25-06-2016 9:02 PM - edited 25-06-2016 9:07 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324
More than two million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum, after the vote to leave.
It has more signatures than any other on the parliamentary website and as it has passed 100,000, Parliament will consider it for a debate.
25-06-2016 9:15 PM
As you know, from our chats elsewhere, Wales instills a feeling in me; that isn't really logical, or explainable to many. With grandfathers who were both miners ( the old fashioned type.........on their knees with a pick ) and parents born and bred in the Rhondda ( among the slag heaps ), I haven't been back for a few years. You'd think that once somebody had dragged themselves out of that kind of hard life, they would never look back. However, EVERY time I go back; I feel I'm home and the Welsh National Anthem is the greatest piece of music EVER. I guess many Scots, Irish and dare I say English, have the same feeling; although I think it's a " Celt " thing. I've travelled far and wide and to every corner of these Islands of ours, I love the differences in traditions, lifestyles and scenery, which makes visiting these various places different and fun.............but when I look at this Planet from space, I see the differences pale into insignificance, as we're ALL trapped together; on this pin prick in space. The answers will come from there and from us, as there is nowhere else it CAN come from.............undoubtedly long after I'm deep in the earth.........hopefully on a Mountain Top........somewhere in Wales.
25-06-2016 9:17 PM
Well if it materialises with another referendum, let's hope the piqued and foot stomping directorship of the European Political Party are still spitting out their dummies at the audacity of the UK, and pull up the drawbridge.
Sorted.
25-06-2016 9:53 PM
@john.b74 wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324
More than two million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum, after the vote to leave.
It has more signatures than any other on the parliamentary website and as it has passed 100,000, Parliament will consider it for a debate.
It's called a "referendum not neverendum"
25-06-2016 9:59 PM
Ahhh, Evo...you brought a tear to my eye. I love my country...I was born here, and I will die here. A certain poster who frequents this board occasionally, has scorned and derided me because I live within a few hundred yards of where I was born. I have been accused of being narrow minded, inward looking etc. What he doesn't know is that I have travelled all over the world, yet whenever I leave Wales for more than a few days, I get a real physical pain of homesickness...Hiraeth..as you probably know! Since our first vote on the EU in the 70's, when I voted 'No', I have always been suspicious and untrusting of that organisation. And I have watched my country practically disintegrate under the yoke of Brussels. I feel free since Thursday...and if I believed in a God I would be on my knees thanking him. But in truth I have to thank the wonderful Welsh people who saw through the deceit and corruption that is Brussels and voted to be free. I hope you eventually get your spot on a mountain here...but not for a long time yet.😊
25-06-2016 10:02 PM
Evo....I think I recall you mentioning that your daughter works for border force in France? May I ask....how has the news of the referendum result been received there,at the border? I know that the French immediately said that they wanted the Le Touquet agreement renegotiated, but that has not been mentioned since.
25-06-2016 10:15 PM
October 1966
You know.. Wales has been mentioned here a few times, and I think most will know about the Aberfan Disaster. But did you know that Coventry (my city now) collected donations, and with the Aberfan council erected a playground for the children of Aberfan.
The Coventry Playground was built in 1972, I visited it many times with my grandson
It was demolished by the Merthyr Tydfil Borough Council in 2004, they didnt even tell our council they wanted to demolish it to build houses. They didn't maintain it, became a dangerous place for kids to play, no bins emptied in years !
some useless information;
1957 The Treaty of Rome was signed by 6 European states
1967 The European Community was established
1973 Britain joined the European Community. Tory Prime Minister Edward Heath took Britain in.
1975 Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson had a referendum on Britain's membership 66% voted yes
1987 The Single European Act was signed. This was to create an internal market; “an area without frontiers"
1991 The Maastrict Treaty was signed. The heart of this was to create a single European currency
1993 The European Union was formed
2002 The Euro was introduced on January 1st. Britain has its Five Tests
If these are answered successfully, then Britain will join the Euro. British public opinion does not appear to support the Euro as the first month of its life draws to an end.
25-06-2016 10:22 PM - edited 25-06-2016 10:23 PM
reply to john and Mikes-c
The author of the petition, apparently (according to the Daily Express so who knows) a vote Leave banker, left his petition to change the law a bit late eh?!
He must have been worried that remain would win by a small margin, but ironically, I guess it is only been signed by remainers since the results, plus the leavers who woke up yesterday regretting their vote and frantically googling to find out about what the EU is and what it does!
And there's another petition for a second reerendum to allow 16-17 year olds to vote.
I mentioned on another thread about how depressing it was around where I live where so many youngsters had said that they couldn't be bothered to vote. Last night outside the pub one of them was shouting and swearing about how he wouldn't be able to travel to Europe and we were all facists, adding that he was going to go off to Syria and join ISIS, or take lots of drugs and kill himself ( a confused and troubled young man).
His 2 friends sitting next to him said they hadn't voted because they got too drunk the night before and were too hung over to walk 100m to the Polling Station! No sympathy there, it was open for 15 hours!
Lol at neverendum!
25-06-2016 10:38 PM
Prior to that WHJ...in 1951, there was the Coal and Steel Community, designed to harmonise the European Coal and Steel Industries. Isn't it ironic that now, Britain has no coal industry, and the Steel industry is on its last legs? The words 'cunning plan' spring to mind.
25-06-2016 10:42 PM
Astro......Yes, she works on the other side of the channel, checking the lorries for clandestines ( as they call them ). I haven't spoken to her since a few days before the referendum, so I don't know her thoughts on it all. I did hear today, that the Mayor of Calais wants the agreement between France & England, regarding the borders & checking for immigrants, cancelled and She says they will not make any efforts to stop them crossing any more. However, She's a belligerent & awkward *** and her powers don't give her that kind of authority. She doesn't control the police there and the agreement was made at government level, outside the jurisdiction of the EU. The French foreign minister said today, that he has no intention of cancelling the agreement. Nothing can be taken as gospel though.......words are cheap and life's all about knowing who your REAL friends are.
25-06-2016 10:47 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/25/french-border-deal-wont-be-affected-by-brexit-paris
"The French deal with Britain that keeps border checks, and thousands of refugees and migrants, on the French side of the Channel will remain in place and won’t be affected by the Brexit vote, the Paris government has said."
25-06-2016 11:13 PM
Thanks Evo.
25-06-2016 11:47 PM
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26-06-2016 12:41 PM
Lots of junk out there now, just trolls posting more and more garbage, ranging from Scotland can vito the eu to let us go 🙂 and the vote was only a test, and more junk like this.
Yes I seen the junk pole, I also started one myself asking Parliament to start the process immediately
time will tell if there will be a revolution in this country or not, if they start there tricks
Greenland, Iceland,Faroe Island and Norway NOT in The EU they can join us in "United states of Europe" 🙂
26-06-2016 1:00 PM
The trouble with this is that it is assumed that this time the 'Remains' will win but they're not thinking about what happens if they don't, nor are they listening to those who voted to leave.
This referendum should never have taken place as it was always going to cause such horrendous division.
The real issue that was so abysmally missed was that so many people (and not just in the UK) wanted EU reform but the 'founding' members, the power block at the top, have consistently refused to listen.
And if anything, from this result we are seeing just how much those (words fail me) blobs who are controlling everything are changing things and making them up as they go along.
Those who voted to remain really need to vent their anger in the right direction and and at those who are really responsible for this debacle.
During the run-up to the referendum, one of the threats that was repeatedly trotted out was that if we voted to leave, we could not just leave 'like that' and that it would take at least two years, maybe even as much as five years for us to finally leave.
Now, at that point, no-one bothered to go "Excuse us, but that's not what was agreed in Article 50, so please don't go making up lies as threats".
And now, the (in)famous five are saying they want us out as soon as possible even to the point of telling Dave not to bother putting the formal notification in writing! They are, in effect, just bulldozing through the legal processes for their own ends and to circumvent the legitimate process.
This page shows the process (scroll down)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36420148
There is a formal legal process for withdrawing from the EU - enshrined in Article 50 of the 2009 Lisbon Treaty - although it has never been invoked before.
Mr Cameron has said it should be up to his successor to decide when to activate Article 50 by notifying the European Council. Once this happens, the UK is cut out of EU decision-making at the highest level and there will be no way back unless by unanimous consent from all other member states.
Quitting the EU is not an automatic process - it has to be negotiated with the remaining 27 members and ultimately approved by them by qualified majority. These negotiations are meant to be completed within two years although many believe it will take much longer. The European Parliament has a veto over any new agreement formalising the relationship between the UK and the EU.
So, at this point, we have not formally said we are leaving and I don't know that the EU can kick us out either.
26-06-2016 1:41 PM
@john.b74 wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324
More than two million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum, after the vote to leave.
It has more signatures than any other on the parliamentary website and as it has passed 100,000, Parliament will consider it for a debate.
Now 3 million.
Have heard it called "buyer's remorse" LOL.
Got to agree with Farage for once, "It's not best of three"
26-06-2016 1:51 PM
All these people running around like headless chickens trying to organise new petitions are in fact 20 something kids.
Who by the use of facebook and other social media managed to manipulate the result of the Christmas number one record so that the X Factor winner didn't get it, with this they succeeded, they also use this tactic to manipulate the Big Brother evictions and results.
They tried the same with this referendum but came unstuck and now are acting as spoilt petulant brats by stamping their feet and throwing their toys out of the pram.
26-06-2016 2:09 PM
Quite true Mike, Petulant children indeed, they should be thrashed. Bring back the Cat O Nine tails and conscription that should sort them out. I was quite petulant too when the old fart's in parliament took the pirate radio stations off air, Those young women who fought for the right to vote were also a pain in the bottom. Young people have to get over the fact that our influence on the Continent will always be at the behest of the incontinent.
Apart from the divisive nature of the campaign the one factor which ought to be reviewed is the way both sides made up their arguements as they went along, it was pathetically short of fact meaning many voted believing they would get something they clearly will not, Fine if you are a follower of politics but for the average Joe I call it cheating.