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Hello everyone,

I searched the forums about this and did not find anything, and I believe it is an interesting subject to dscuss, as the referendum approaches.

 

I know it can be a touchy subject, but I wonder what your thoughts about it? Will it change in any way the relationship with the European Union? Can this subject harm or benefit your business?

 

Disclaimer: I am not interested in anything political side of the issue, only the economic side.

 

Thank you.

 

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Grass? Who needs Grass when you have your own Coke suite 

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That was the entire letter, dodger

 

It made me chuckle over breakast in a local caf

All that we are is what we have thought.
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So now today, the truth finally comes out and the hand of the remain campaign is shown. Osbourne comes out with an emergency budget, in case we vote to leave and it's backed by Cameron. So as they hold the power ( being the government of the day ) what they are saying is " if you vote to leave the EU......WE'LL MAKE YOU PAY ".  So, fear tactics have morphed into good old fashioned intimidation......obviously backed by the rest of their cronies. So, the once GREAT British people / nation are going to bow down to that, are they !! Well I know one who isn't.......I may have been battered over time, but at least I can still hold my head up, with some pride.

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And do you really think that a government headed by Boris would have a budget that immediately spent more money in all the areas that the Brexit campaign have claimed will benefit if the vote goes their way?

 

i'm not a big enough mug to believe that will be the case!

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Groan !!.......... and please try not to get your mod. mates to censor this one word post.Smiley Indifferent

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Evoman, silly face's latest threat has even been described by one of his own party as a, 'teenage tantrum'. You gottta laugh at the sheer desperation of the man.

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Have you noticed how the remain campaign's  argument, all along, has been " better the toilet we're all wallowing in, with the idiots we're wallowing in it with; than the main sewer drain we could end up in, if we tried to get out ".  What a brilliant argument, what fantastic confidence SUPPOSEDLY in their country and their people. You think of a reason how we could survive and thrive, if we left the EU and our prime minister & chancellor; will put you back on the leash they want you on, so they can lead you where THEY want you to go. Then THEY compile a strategy to make us pay, if we vote to leave.........all this rubbish about the EU getting they're own back on us....it's not THEM people should be worrying about, it's our OWN prime minister & chancellor. Then him up there ^^^^^ ( you now, the one with the oh so apt  I/D ) uses the very same argument they're using to stay in ( not knowing the outcome if we leave ) to criticize Boris & the brexit campaign, for something they haven't done yet and might not do at all...... as far as he knows. Talk about being damned if you do and damned if you don't, if some people talk long enough, just for the sake of talking, invariably it turns into drivel.

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@evoman3957 wrote:

Have you noticed how the remain campaign's  argument, all along, has been " better the toilet we're all wallowing in, with the idiots we're wallowing in it with; than the main sewer drain we could end up in, if we tried to get out ".  What a brilliant argument, what fantastic confidence SUPPOSEDLY in their country and their people. You think of a reason how we could survive and thrive, if we left the EU and our prime minister & chancellor; will put you back on the leash they want you on, so they can lead you where THEY want you to go. Then THEY compile a strategy to make us pay, if we vote to leave.........all this rubbish about the EU getting they're own back on us....it's not THEM people should be worrying about, it's our OWN prime minister & chancellor. Then him up there ^^^^^ ( you now, the one with the oh so apt  I/D ) uses the very same argument they're using to stay in ( not knowing the outcome if we leave ) to criticize Boris & the brexit campaign, for something they haven't done yet and might not do at all...... as far as he knows. Talk about being damned if you do and damned if you don't, if some people talk long enough, just for the sake of talking, invariably it turns into drivel.


Methinks you have mixed up thinking 🙂

 

''You rant at the actions of the PM and his chancellor, (neither of whom I have any faith in either), yet these are the very people you have argued all along should have unfettered power over us!

 

At least try and be consistent with your argument.

 

I am doing more than criticising Boris - I am calling him an outright liar - nobody has yet replied to the charge - We do NOT send £350 million a week to the EU - We DO send £250 million which is far too much so why is the man lying?  Do you really support such a lie just because he has the same view as you on the referendum?

 

PS - who are these mod mates of mine - lol

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'You rant at the actions of the PM and his chancellor, (neither of whom I have any faith in either), yet these are the very people you have argued all along should have unfettered power over us!

 

 

ERR ^^^^^^ when did I say that then ??.......I'd rather the elected government of my own country be running things, than a bunch of unelected, faceless, bureaucrats in Brussels........anyway " unfettered power over us " would be a dictatorship........last time I looked ,this country was a democracy. I'm bored of talking to you now.....not unsurprisingly !! so feel free to rabbit on, but I've got better things to do.

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Evo I really respect the right of all to an opinion, what I cant understand is why if someone disagrees with a particular point of view the detracter must be either brain dead or dysfunctional. it is not as black and white as some like to make out and the mongrel nature of both camps makes it even more uncomfortable for me to support either. I still have yet to make up my mind and the reason for that is the scaremongering headlines both sides are using. I want facts, I want the pros and cons of both sides not a bucket of propaganda. If and when I see things that I can fully get my head around based on fact and free from personal abuse then and only then will we have a meaningful debate. the way things are going is exactly why this board has become so quiet, will we ever learn?

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In my opinion politicians, whether they be UK or EU based do effectively have unfettered power over us.  I have voted at every single ballot in the same constituency for 39 years and NOT ONCE has the person I've voted for been elected!

 

The men and women who make up the UK Parliament, the EU Commission and Parliament don't even know I exist, let alone take into account my point of view when making decisions - the whole idea of representative democracy, as it has evolved, is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.  No longer do we have people standing in elections that have worked in their communities, know the electorate and their needs and are truly representative of them - we have 'professional' politicians appointed by their respective parties and who are expected, (and do), to represent and carry out the wishes of the 'party'.

 

As soon as you recognise this then it becomes apparent that the question of 'sovereignty' is just an illusion - the idea that it is possible to influence the actions of politicians a fairy tale.  Therefore when on the very rare occasions we, 'the people', get the opportunity to truly express our views in a referendum it well behoves us to ignore anything said by politicians and make our choice based on our own personal experience and not based on the most loudly expressed view.

 

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I'm well aware that you have voiced an opinion to remain in the EU, opposite to mine.........but I don't have a problem with that.  In fact I don't have a problem with all but one, who has an opposite opinion to mine. It's not the difference of opinion, that's the problem, it's the pomposity and arrogance, that comes through, that's the problem.  It's people that not only have an opinion, on just about everything, but actually come across as being the sort of people; who would look over the shoulder of a brain surgeon, in an operating theatre and tell him what he's doing right or wrong. On here, I just curtail conversations with such people.........it's just as well I don't meet them in real life, but then I don't mix with people like that. That aside, I don't think people have any idea just how divisive this referendum is going to be. Governments come and go and if you didn't vote for one, you just have to go with the flow for 5 years.  This vote, will continue to give more powers to unelected, faceless, bureaucrats, from other countries, for a lifetime.  Call me suspicious, cynical, distrustful, whatever, but I've seen too much of life, the world and people; not to be able to smell out an agenda and a coming storm. For instance, they are saying that it will be " decades " yes that's the word they used " decades ", until Turkey meets the criteria to be accepted into the EU.  You watch, if we vote to stay in the EU; Turkey will be accepted within 6 to 7 years; along with the other impoverished countries that want to join. As for the boards being quiet, I've only been back on here for 5 months or so and people have started several threads; stating how quiet it has been for quite a while and how it's not like the old days..........so maybe it's either some people on here, who have never left, that's the problem; or it's the puritanical, childish way the boards are run.

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I see, I know people like you describe, don't  really allow it to get to me if I'm honest though that has not always been the case. Don't you agree that the contributions are still valid even if you disagree with the delivery. I agree with the brain surgeon analogy, bit like some people I work with, they would hire a famous artist like Monet (if he were alive) for the prestige then expect him to paint by numbers. The worlds full of em but it would be far less interesting without them.  

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

In my opinion politicians, whether they be UK or EU based do effectively have unfettered power over us.  I have voted at every single ballot in the same constituency for 39 years and NOT ONCE has the person I've voted for been elected!

 


But Creeky i told you last time the Monster Raven looney party never stand a chance in a million years of winning that seat - keep on voting though- Leicester did win the premiership. Smiley Very Happy

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

 

I have voted at every single ballot in the same constituency for 39 years and NOT ONCE has the person I've voted for been elected!

 

 


That's excellent news for us Leave voters....Please, please, please, pretty please vote Remain.

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Maybe vote Leave should match Osbournes blackmail by promising a German run army if we vote Remain. Our banking run by the Greeks, a change to French as our first language and every family forced to take in an EU family as permanent lodgers. 

 

But you can't do that......nope because Vote Leave/Brexit are not the party in power so they cannot threaten anyone.

 

This therefore makes it an absolute abuse of power that Osbourne can use his position to attempt to gain a result for 'his side' not on true facts and merit but by stating he will fiscally punish the people of the UK should they dare to contravene the 'party line'.

 

Absolutely shameful and for the first time I am embarrassed at being a life long Tory supporter....no longer...........

 

A win can only be truly enjoyed if you play fair............We can only assume Osbourne will trouser the money no longer paid to Brussels if he is charging for Brexit.

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@medealady wrote:

I am embarrassed at being a life long Tory supporter....no longer...........

 


Same here and to think I pounded the streets for them during the last election, I wonder what cushy little number our PM has been promised in Brussels post his pm'ship.

 

Touching on the point about sovereignty raised earlier, this gent makes some good points.

 

We were lied to back in 1975 and we're still being lied to today.

 

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-facts-not-fear/

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In reality there is no EU, just a united states of germany.

That is not even open to dispute.


@mikes*corvettes wrote:

@medealady wrote:

I am embarrassed at being a life long Tory supporter....no longer...........

 


Same here and to think I pounded the streets for them during the last election, I wonder what cushy little number our PM has been promised in Brussels post his pm'ship.

 

Touching on the point about sovereignty raised earlier, this gent makes some good points.

 

We were lied to back in 1975 and we're still being lied to today.

 

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-facts-not-fear/


 

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