Evo I really respect the right of all to an opinion, what I cant understand is why if someone disagrees with a particular point of view the detracter must be either brain dead or dysfunctional. it is not as black and white as some like to make out and the mongrel nature of both camps makes it even more uncomfortable for me to support either. I still have yet to make up my mind and the reason for that is the scaremongering headlines both sides are using. I want facts, I want the pros and cons of both sides not a bucket of propaganda. If and when I see things that I can fully get my head around based on fact and free from personal abuse then and only then will we have a meaningful debate. the way things are going is exactly why this board has become so quiet, will we ever learn?