The new when we get paid rules from February.

[nichsm_2913]

Ebay was always heavily weighted in favour of the Buyers, but this new mad rule thats coming in next month about having to wait two days after delivery is confirmed to get paid is simply beyond the pale.

And sometimes delivery conformation never comes, apparently in that situation we have to wait 14 days to get our money.  

This is disgusting and completely nuts. A self-destructive move from Ebay.

[jow1995]

spot on post, bittyboy101 sounds like a broken record

[prom22]

Has anyone had clarification on ebay's latest proposal regarding items sent via Letter post (currently 85p 2nd Class Royal Mail)? For example, postcards etc. The only Royal Mail Tracked service for Letter post is as follows:

[bittyboy101]

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@cobwebcottage wrote:

If you spent your time wisely listing items instead of so much time writing the same points again and again on the boards, you may make some money.

But then again, didn't you say you were done with Ebay?

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Make some money ? 

Yeah, right with eBay blocking everything in the searches ?... There's no real chance of making any money on here now.

With these silly payment delays and managed delivery changes... It's now a waste of time selling anything on here.

Good day sir.

[bittyboy101]

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@kath3735_wxmjn wrote:

of course sellers will get paid, unfortunately you have to wait 14 days but you will still get the money.  Heaven knows where some people are getting the idea from that you will never get the money, apart from certain contributors to this forum who seem to have a bee in their bonnet and keep on spouting the nonsense.

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You won't get your money if a fussy/trouble-maker  buyer has time to claw it back by eBay via an ISND case !, especially if they now know that you don't have a penny of their money yet !

Lots of scammers looking for a freebie and eBay now paves the way with their payment holds.

[sunshinedior67]

Rather rude & obnoxious. Most private sellers have full time jobs and a
reliable income. Maybe this is what upsets buisness users who forget eBay
was created for private sellers or maybe it's because private sellers have
more money in their pockets at the end of the month without breaking a
sweat! These pages have been created by eBay for a community to discuss
issues & views which eBay use as part of their marketing plan.
We don't berate users for voicing their views

[eastern-lights]

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

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@kath3735_wxmjn wrote:

of course sellers will get paid, unfortunately you have to wait 14 days but you will still get the money.  Heaven knows where some people are getting the idea from that you will never get the money, apart from certain contributors to this forum who seem to have a bee in their bonnet and keep on spouting the nonsense.

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You won't get your money if a fussy/trouble-maker  buyer has time to claw it back by eBay via an ISND case !, especially if they now know that you don't have a penny of their money yet !

Lots of scammers looking for a freebie and eBay now paves the way with their payment holds.

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What have The International Society for Neurodegenerative Diseases got to do with it? 😀

Assuming you mean INAD (Item not as described) or INR (Item not received), how is the situation changed? How is it more likely? Do you think buyers are more likely to not receive the item because the money is not in your bank account? Or are buyers more likely to find fault with the item because the money is not in your account?

If anything, delayed payments saves the issue that some sellers may have of having to find money for a refund when they have already spent it.

[bittyboy101]

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@eastern-lights wrote:

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

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@kath3735_wxmjn wrote:

of course sellers will get paid, unfortunately you have to wait 14 days but you will still get the money.  Heaven knows where some people are getting the idea from that you will never get the money, apart from certain contributors to this forum who seem to have a bee in their bonnet and keep on spouting the nonsense.

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You won't get your money if a fussy/trouble-maker  buyer has time to claw it back by eBay via an ISND case !, especially if they now know that you don't have a penny of their money yet !

Lots of scammers looking for a freebie and eBay now paves the way with their payment holds.

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What have The International Society for Neurodegenerative Diseases got to do with it? 😀

Assuming you mean INAD (Item not as described) or INR (Item not received), how is the situation changed? How is it more likely? Do you think buyers are more likely to not receive the item because the money is not in your bank account? Or are buyers more likely to find fault with the item because the money is not in your account?

If anything, delayed payments saves the issue that some sellers may have of having to find money for a refund when they have already spent it.

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ISND = "Item significantly not as described"

What you mean is it is less hassle and more easier for eBay to refund buyers without having to go through the process (and time/cost) of having to claw back the money from the seller's bank, who might decline if the seller has already spent it ?  

Thought so. 🤔

[johnwash1]

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@jow1995 wrote:

spot on post, bittyboy101 sounds like a broken record

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I'd say he sounds like that because eBay has taken the record player, walked over to the window of their 4th floor flat, and hurled it out of the window.  His grief looking at the smashed pieces is understandable.

Still, maybe some of the pieces can be sold as spare parts.  But not on ebay.  Need somewhere else for that.

I have a dream.  I dream that when I visit these boards, every post will add new information I'd not thought of, or entertain me in some way, or witness one of those "you shoulda be a bisness" trolls being hung drawn and quartered.  Bittyboy101 is just one of many who's so infuriated by recent changes that they keep prolonging threads for 100s of posts, hoping  that if we  say it often enough, ebay will listen.  I've tended to think that won't ever happen, but lately it's seemed to me that there's been such an  outcry that journalists are reporting the outrage and bad publicity might even get ebay to make small concessions.

[histoscape]

Hi, I have been selling postcards, because I don't use tracking and use
85p second class mail I have to wait 2 weeks for payment.

👍

[bittyboy101]

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@johnwash1 wrote:

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@jow1995 wrote:

spot on post, bittyboy101 sounds like a broken record

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I'd say he sounds like that because eBay has taken the record player, walked over to the window of their 4th floor flat, and hurled it out of the window.  His grief looking at the smashed pieces is understandable.

Still, maybe some of the pieces can be sold as spare parts.  But not on ebay.  Need somewhere else for that.

I have a dream.  I dream that when I visit these boards, every post will add new information I'd not thought of, or entertain me in some way, or witness one of those "you shoulda be a bisness" trolls being hung drawn and quartered.  Bittyboy101 is just one of many who's so infuriated by recent changes that they keep prolonging threads for 100s of posts, hoping  that if we  say it often enough, ebay will listen.  I've tended to think that won't ever happen, but lately it's seemed to me that there's been such an  outcry that journalists are reporting the outrage and bad publicity might even get ebay to make small concessions.

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spot on John  👍

[sunshinedior67]

The point here is there's NO seller protection as if the delivery isn't
recorded & feedback isn't left the seller will not just lose the value of
the item but also the postage costs. I don't know where people are allowed
to walk off with goods without paying.

eBay has gone to great lengths to ensure they can retain funds for property
they don't own for the longest time possible for their own financial gain.

Why haven't they created a setting that buyers can confirm delivery?

Why have they not created a setting to request buyers payment after
delivery not upfront?

Why haven't they created a system where sellers can instruct eBay items
have been delivered?

Why are eBay hanging onto funds for weeks despite having the ability to
review positive feedback & release funds?

Every seller has a bank account linked & on the occasions a refund is
required that's where it should be deducted from or through payment holds
but no eBay has found this way of making money that's completely in favour
of themselves & grossly unfair to the seller.

We all know eBay needs to make money & sellers had no problem with the
fees that they decided to drop purely to gain more private sellers to steal
from. They make more money from accrued interest than through selling fees.

[just_bsg_st_lotr_et_al]

Actually, you are wrong, but as a business seller, I wouldn't expect you to sympathise with what private sellers are now facing. You have over 1,200 items for sale, so of course when running any sort of business you expect to have to cover that sort of outlay. However, as a private individual, many are selling because they have to, just to raise a bit of cash. They'd find the £20 to pay ebay a lot easy to pay after they raise and have the cash than the £140 I suggested they'd need to find before they receive a penny. No one expects to sell on ebay for free, we all know this isn't a charity, however, what ebay have done is implement inequitable conditions on private sellers that are not matched, as far as I know, by any other online service. No one ever complained about the fees. We all joined ebay knowing there were costs to selling and knowing that was the price, to coin a phrase, of doing business. But now, without any consultation, ebay have forced measures onto pre-existing customers that make what many were doing previously impossible. As I said, large scale auctions for people lacking the ready funds to send items through the post is now a thing of the past, brought about by the very organisation that would have profited from that. Does that not seem totally at odds with even the adverts we see by ebay on television? New home owners, spying stuff of their partner they want to ditch? If those people put fifty items for sale, with no reserve and a starting price of £10 each, since when you look at the ad. they'd looking to get rid of toasters, lamps, etc. and sold them all, because as new homeowners they don't want the clutter and, yes, need the cash, if the postage on those was £7 each, (it would likely be more, some would be heavy) then the postage they'd have to find before they received a penny on ebay would be £350, and f course it would be more since they'd need boxes and bubblewrap, etc. I've seen people do that. Or maybe people selling large numbers of stuff they've inherited. These are not unheard of situations, and no, people often don't have the cash to pay for much up front then, so those are, as I said, things of the past, brought about by the change. But then, you raise the point, pay fees or not. Given the choice, some would want fees, others would be happy to wait, so why not make it an option for sellers? However, thank you for all your assumptions, how very entitled of you 😉

[vinylscot]

I hope you're just playing devil's advocate here, and you don't actually believe the content of your word salad.

In the contrived situation you outline, the seller should have listed a couple of items first, and used the proceeds from these sales as his/her "postage pot".

If their items are listed as "Buy It Nows" they won't all sell at the same time anyway, so the procedure becomes even simpler; as the sales mount up, so does the "postage pot".

You are correct that they would be hit with a large postage bill if a lot of auction listing ended successfully at around the same time, but that is easy to plan for, using the method outlined above.

eBay gives private sellers free listings and does not charge any final value fees. The payment holds are now the price to be paid by private sellers wanting to sell on eBay, and I'm pretty sure that, if you're honest, around 99% of sellers prefer this to the situation before October when you were paying c.13% in fees. It has become apparent that you can't have both.

I have a private account too, where I sell old unwanted possessions. I'll agree with you that it's a bit of a faff, but really, it's a very minor inconvenience. If any individual can't cope with it, then they should seek another platform.

[*devils.advocate*]

They're sure as Hell not playing with me!

[just_bsg_st_lotr_et_al]

As I said, a very entitled and patronising attitude you have. You hope this, that and the other, you suggest and blah, blah, blah. Frankly, you don't know people's situations, what they want to do, how soon they want to get rid of stuff, and whatever. to believe that you have the answers is, as I said, entirely patronising and entitled. I did indeed make up the as you say contrived situations as examples, but i have seen some very like them in the past and know of people who had to sell lots of items in a hurry because they were short of cash. If you are indeed short of cash, you may not have the money to post the items and indeed, won't want to wait for the cash to sell the items. That is the entire point of this thread, or did you miss that? It's notable, after all the grumblings caused by ebay's nonsensical moves, that today I received a £15 promotional offer for money off promoting items. That has literally never happened before, but it does indeed show that ebay notice people aren't happy. So maybe, just maybe, your nose is in the wrong place 🙂 Anyway, you tell yourself what you want to hear, others have been happy with my word salad, and since I'm writing my own views and for what I want to say, it's irrelevant what you believe.  Don't like that? I suggest you keep it to yourself, or do you not like it when others make suggestions to you? Chin chin 😉

[vinylscot]

Actually, my suggestion is rather helpful, and points out how private sellers should now approach selling.

I will agree with you (I think) that eBay should have communicated this much more clearly, rather than unwary sellers finding themselves in an awkward situation, but they didn't.

Anyway, things change, hairstyles change, and perhaps eBay is no longer the best place for new or occasional sellers to raise funds quickly. To be honest, it never has been; there have always been alternative ways to sell which will raise funds more quickly.

You also conveniently ignore my point that eBay has no listing fees or final value fees for private sellers. Do you think private sellers should get all that fee of charge AND immediate access to their cash?

[trainofthought]

I posted quite a few items from sales today - which is nice - however, my ebay balance is now in the hands, effectively, of the postal service. I have no ebay balance to use until the postman succeeds in delivering the item and remembers to mark it as delivered. In the meantime I get texts from ebay reminding me to bid on an item that's due to end in 15 minutes time. Well, I'd like to bid, but Mr Ebay, you've stopped me getting my ebay funds straight after I sell an item so I can't. You've made it so that I can't buy as much as I used to or as flexibly as I used to. This was your doing Mr Ebay and I'm sure I'm not alone and there is a risk that this policy will affect your own income as well as that of all other sellers on ebay. Bad move. 

[tressygirl]

I believe pending funds can be used to buy items on eBay.

They can also be used to buy postage labels,  and for any refunds.

@trainofthought 

[andha-21]

Yep, exactly the same as me. If I'm not selling, I'm not buying as much either.

Really ironic because I think the CEO actually said their most valuable users were sellers that buy also and I used to buy a s**tload.

I don't begrudge them earning money. Why I was happy to sell before when we had fees. But this new roll out is totally .... backwards may be the polite term.

They are hitting/hurting every user base. Users that only buy, users that only sell, users that do both.

Considering their entire business model is based off leeching off all 3 it seems a tad suicidal. A slow motion train derailing off a cliff. Everyone not on the train going "what the ....!" in slow motion too.

[trainofthought]

Oh....then that's something to experiment on, though I'd rather have the certainty of using "cleared funds" as it were. As it stands I didn't bid on the item I referenced, due to my funds pending delivery of items by the postal service, which is just wrong. So the seller lost a sale so ebay lost income too. I just think trade should be simple, fluid, and flexible. If I sell my items I expect the money available at the point of sale; it's a pretty standard practice. I may try that with the supermarket and explain that I'll pay for the shopping when I confirm I've got it all home!