The new when we get paid rules from February.

Ebay was always heavily weighted in favour of the Buyers, but this new mad rule thats coming in next month about having to wait two days after delivery is confirmed to get paid is simply beyond the pale.

 

And sometimes delivery conformation never comes, apparently in that situation we have to wait 14 days to get our money.  

 

This is disgusting and completely nuts. A self-destructive move from Ebay.

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Probably because they don't want to

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sundhinedior67 wrote: Postage isn't just tracking it's all the other things
required like packaging, printing, paper, fuel.

 

Yes they're all items the seller is aware of and must factor in to the cost of selling But though "packaging, printing, paper, fuel" might form part of "postage" in a seller's mind, they aren't.

 

According to the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA), you can charge for the actual uninflated cost of postage, but not charge for packing or packagng (unless you state "...and packing", which eBay does not) nor handling nor admin costs which includes fuel and transport - basically nothing beyond the true cost of the actual postage.

But, and it's a big but!, those are ASA guidelines, not a legal requirement; and not enforceable in general practice, only in serious individual cases such as persistent blatant overcharging.

 

Like many things in commerce or industry it's done by guidance-led convention. So when certain sellers push the boundaries, either by mistake (believing it's natural to add handling/fuel into postage and still call it just "postage") or deliberately (to see if they can get away with it) it can often raise more consumer indignation than you'd think justified because it's against convention, yet their behaviour is legal. Confusing!

 

Specifically re sellers' fuel costs the ASA annoyingly doesn't explicitly state these can be ADDED as separate charges (but as above, definitely not INCORPORATED into the postage charge). Instead, these factors are, by convention, incorporated elsewhere usually in an item's price. That's what consumers have come to expect, so they don't expect a charge called postage to be anything other than the true cost of postage.

 

The ASA's focus isn't apparently on regulating details nor enforcing general practices. Instead it seems to work by producing guidelines and using influence to ensure transparency and prevent misleading pricing practices. It only takes action in serious individual cases. So my take from the ASA is that if you want to charge a buyer outside an item's price, for printing, packaging, fuel etc, then you should ADD a charge for that.

 

Many professional firms do just that (add a charge) e.g. solicitors, insurers, conveyancers, accountants. Cannily it's an "admin" fee, and can be upwards of £50, charged to every client for what the fee used to be called:  "photocopying, telephone and postage". The amount of those costs would vary between clients so it's just a levy. When I first worked for solicitors it was called a fee for "photocopying, telephone costs and postage" and seeing it itemised like that led some clients to question it hoping for a reduction e.g. "but you only photocopied 3 pages".

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If you offer free post you can use what ever service you want. In the same
sentence they SD will be manitory but you can opt out. For those always
using tracking like myself it makes no difference. What I disagree with is
clearly eBay has switched off the delivery link so even fully tracked
deliveries don't register on eBay ( as planned to hold sellers money ).
These deliveries show as delivered on couriers web tracking systems. SD is
going to be put in place using couriers who their paying to make sure
deliveries aren't recorded. There's no other logical reason as we all know
it's not for the benefit of either seller or buyer, only another eBay money
making con. If it's aimed at those not using tracking that's fair enough.
Surely sellers want to cover themselves against item not received claims &
have proof of postage to claim back loses? If the items value is so small
is it really worth all the eBay hurdles anyway?
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They want to hold the money as long as possible in their high interest
accounts & that's why they're making sure deliveries are all looking like
their undelivered & have no intention of checking to confirm delivery. This
is eBays more lucrative way of making money hence why they dropped the fee
to attract more private sellers.
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Because low cost items don't make them a massive about of interest whilst
holding funds so their happy to check the feedback & release funds swiftly.
£10 & over makes them plenty of money in their high interest accounts and
they want to hold onto as long as possible don't they!! The higher the
amount the more interest they earn so the longer the time is extremely
lucrative for eBay. These new rules are nothing to do with buyers
protection, they're merely eBay's new way of making money
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If you are so unhappy with Ebay, why are you still selling on here?  Maybe its time to find a new outlet.

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@jow1995 wrote:

If you are so unhappy with Ebay, why are you still selling on here?  Maybe its time to find a new outlet.


I agree. They keep moaning but by continuing to list they are agreeing to the changes as per the user agreement. 

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when are you going to stop spouting that nonsense you keep spouting about e bay switching off the delivery link?    So far i have 8 items paid for since the 4th and 7 of those were marked as delivered and i got the money in my e bay account two days later, the remaining one was not shown as delivered and i got the money actually 13 days later.

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I asked that question on one of the threads and guess what, got no response.  Probably too busy with their conspiracy theories about delivery tracking being stopped from being recorded!

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Although I'm no expert so could be mistaken, I have a sneaky suspicion that those ASA guidelines relate to Businesses, perhaps not to Private sales.

 

Any experts out there please contribute!

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Nearly every buyer online expects to pay for postage. eBay themselves agree
this is true but then encourage sellers offer free post to attract buyers.
Myself I've never asked for the whole postage. Mines set at £1.50 for 2nd
class royal mail small parcel & I add £1.50 to asking price & I'm paying
25p which doesn't bother me. I find that buyers can see the service I'm
using and know I'm offering cheaper post than others. As a buyer on eBay
since these new rules have been introduced I've seen exaggerated postage
like £14 for dried flowers being sent 2nd class small parcel.

The point I was making was that sellers should be considering their total
expenditure related to postage rather than increase it to cover the extra
costs.

If sellers sat down & calculated the cost of paper, printer, electricity,
printer ink, mail bags, bubble wrap, cellotape, fragile tape, transport or
car fuel & then add the postage label cost on top they'd be surprised how
much it eats into any profit made from the sale.
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We're back to the issue of is a particular private seller really a business.

 

I remember that years ago the ASA, which is a self-regulatory body not a statutory authority, showed interested in certain classified ads by private sellers in a newspaper or periodical, though unfortunately on googling it just now I couldn't find record of it, and if the situation's the same today it seems you can attract their attention for misleading selling if serious enough, whether or not you're a person or business, depends what you're up to. Otherwise, I suppose, it'd mean much of the population could claim immunity to investigation and it'd have to be dealt with by another means. You don't want any private individual to profit from misleading advertising to be immune just beecause they're not registered as a business.

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"So far i have 8 items paid for since the 4th and 7 of those were marked as delivered and i got the money in my e bay account two days later, the remaining one was not shown as delivered and i got the money actually 13 days later."

 

8 out of 8 sounds great but this may not strictly be something you can brag about. Would you at least entertain the possibility that other people may not be as lucky as you have been? 

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If sellers sat down & calculated the cost of paper, printer, electricity,
printer ink, mail bags, bubble wrap, cellotape, fragile tape, transport or
car fuel & then add the postage label cost on top they'd be surprised how
much it eats into any profit made from the sale.

 

If you were a genuine 'Private' seller you wouldn't be talking about 'profit' from a sale. But you aren't. So any argument of moaning you do on here is totally irrelevant. As @jow1995 said - time for you to find another outlet. 

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WHY aren't private sellers allowed to make a profit? Who invented such a stupid rule?

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Because if you are making a 'profit',  that means that you are buying something to sell (profit being the difference between the buying and selling price). And that defines you according to ebay and HMRC as a business.

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No it doesn't. 'Profit' simply means you are selling for a higher price than you bought it for. Most of my records cost between £1 and £4 back in the day. Now they are worth more than that, sometimes a LOT more.

 

And, no, people who sell their personal possessions are NOT running a business either.

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Explain Chattel then ...

Why do the Government put that under Capital Gains Tax and allow for value appreciation?

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Agreed. People who are selling personal possessions are not running a business (ie something bought years ago without the intention of selling it for a 'profit') - you may only have to look at the Capital Gains. I am not implying you are running a business, and wouldn't consider that you are making a 'profit'. But those on here that are fairly obviously buying to sell on here are doing so to make a 'profit', and should be classified as a business. And so shouldn't be making comments about the new rules as they don't apply to them

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This is true! Thrash metal albums from Virgin Records in the late 80s were about £4.00 each and now many fetch 10 times if not more than that! Perhaps to avoid this you need to bundle all your records together, pass to the local bricks and mortar auction house, sell as one lot to an ebay business seller for a pittance who will then sell each one individually at the current market price. Do that so you don't make "profit"?....I think not! I think we're within our rights to sell items at the market value no matter what we paid for them. And here's the joy - if we maximise our sales on ebay we're likely to buy more on ebay, including off business sellers. Everyone wins! I do wish people would understand this. Many private sellers are just collectors 'off the scale' who just recycle their money. Few are in an industrial estate with new and sealed product in a warehouse. 

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