The new when we get paid rules from February.

[nichsm_2913]

Ebay was always heavily weighted in favour of the Buyers, but this new mad rule thats coming in next month about having to wait two days after delivery is confirmed to get paid is simply beyond the pale.

And sometimes delivery conformation never comes, apparently in that situation we have to wait 14 days to get our money.  

This is disgusting and completely nuts. A self-destructive move from Ebay.

[theelench]

Perhaps to make it clear to ebay that there are still a few private sellers active on these boards and that they don't think it's a good idea to throw more restrictions at already dis-advantaged private sellers in an attempt to protect the sales of businesses.

That if ebay wants to return to its glory days when all sellers had a reasonable chance of making a decent amount from selling stuff they should perhaps stop thinking of ways to squeeze more fees from every transaction, get the balance right between the number of businesses and private sellers and stop treating private sellers as gullible fools, only here for the benefit of businesses.

Doing so has led to their leaving in such numbers that the site, top heavy with businesses, is in the current mess it finds itself in.  Unable to provide the profits that businesses need to stay afloat, because it has far too few buyers.  As the general public has turned its back on ebay an increasing percentage of those sales come from private sellers, but only if they can sell and get decent prices for their items.  That's not the case for too many private sellers these days.

[bittyboy101]

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@blackstrat23 wrote:

eBay sold gumtree in 2020 its now owned by 58.com

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Good to know !

Last time I used Gumtree was about 2021 to sell my old car... Haven't used it since but at the time I remember it said it was owned by eBay...

[jow1995]

That is totally up to you. If selling unwanted items, just go to a car boot or market place.

Or just upgrade to a business account then the new rules will not apply, but fees much higher.

[pzkpfwv1d]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/15/notes

This is one of the links 

https://www.businesscompanion.info/sites/default/files/CRA-Services-Guidance-for-Business-Sep-2015.p...

This is another link

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f8b58ed915d74e33f716e/Unfair_Terms_Main_Guidance.p...

And this one is the linki for customers which is more explanatory

[bittyboy101]

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@jow1995 wrote:

Or just upgrade to a business account then the new rules will not apply, but fees much higher.

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No Thanks.

[rayil-63]

Why should people selling for a clear out have to go to a car boot and not sell cause the market is online ebay just needs to stop penny pinching Sent from my Galaxy

[andha-21]

I'll be reading those and I'm guessing as you replied to me, you saw my post regarding yours and as you haven't said I'm wrong, I may be on the right lines.

But the links suggest there is more than I'm seeing so far.

Thank you in advance.

[pzkpfwv1d]

There is a whole lot of information and if you read the entire 141 page guidance you will that ebay have been playing fast and loose with UK law for a long time 

[theelench]

Because the person you're replying to is a business seller, quite possibly one of the ones that thinks ebay is now a business selling site and would probably be even better without private sellers cluttering up the site with their "tat"

[pzkpfwv1d]

Apologiesa I did mean consumer rights but was going from memory as I have not looked at this for more than 2 years 

I have attached links in another post

The main link is the one for customers 

[rayil-63]

You know ebay used to be better before pushing these businesses on there
site I never had any problem paying fees but this waiting for my money is
playing into scammers hands

[pzkpfwv1d]

AS the ebay postage label system has been broken for quite some time I have always paid postage from my own pocket 

When I try to use the ebay postage label I get "the post code is too long we can not generate this label, the post code is too long we can not generate this label" for both the buyer and my own address

[jow1995]

Many sellers are leaving eBAY due to sales being reported to HMRC , I know of many long term sellers have done so because of this. At my local auction house, many of the ebayers have gone to ground.

Genuine private sellers have nothing to worry about, so what if you have to wait to get money, if just selling unwanted items, anything  must be a  bonus.

EBAY are not a charity, they make the rules, if not happy sell ,somewhere else., simple.

 Business operating on private accounts have probably brought these changes. 

[rayil-63]

It's not about the waiting it's about the waiting then you get a bad buyer
trying it on then you end up waiting even more

[moldosgifts]

I would think now that any buyer using SD will have to correct their own address as the system will reject their attempts to purchase with especially incorrect written postcodes.

[bittyboy101]

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@jow1995 wrote:

 Business operating on private accounts have probably brought these changes. 

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No, It is eBay's greed to impress their investors and share holders that has motivated all these flurry of disastrous changes... Their attitude is to keep on milking the cow... until it's empty...     

[jow1995]

That is the joy of selling on line, if you are that concerned , probably not wise to sell on this platform.

[andha-21]

"EBAY are not a charity, they make the rules, if not happy sell ,somewhere else., simple."

They make their own rules/policies but if those rules go against any laws, they can and should be challenged. The very nature of their operation and domain name suggests that their intention is to supply to habitual residents of the UK. Which means they fall under all relevant consumer and trading laws that apply here.

I've already seen one example in these threads that could get them referred to CAT. What made it even better is they were doing it within their global company framework. Anti competition by prohibiting use of a workaround by using eBay.com.

Simple delivery is crossing all kinds of legal areas. The easiest and most obvious counter I have thought of to date is disability. If you physically cannot do what eBay are trying to dictate and eBay do not make provisions to allow for that, then eBay are almost certainly in trouble.

But if they allow for that, then there could be further challenges using equal rights as a basis.

There's far more but those are a good start.

[johnwash1]

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

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@blackstrat23 wrote:

eBay sold gumtree in 2020 its now owned by 58.com

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Good to know !

Last time I used Gumtree was about 2021 to sell my old car... Haven't used it since but at the time I remember it said it was owned by eBay...

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And there's the problem.   People just keep on trotting out whatever Marge at the knitting circle told them, instead of DYOR.  I've lost count of how many times in recent years I've heard people saying Gumtree is owned by ebay.  Entirely excusable before we all had the Internet.  But how much effort is it to check the facts, using your favourite search engine (mine's  DuckDuckGo, by the way, not Google, because ddg respects your privacy).

Read the Wikipedia article on Gumtree.  Look up Gumtree Ltd on Companies House (the gov.uk site where you'll find who has control, who's resigned, financial  accounts and more).  It's not hard.

I've only skimmed such sources very briefly, so I won't claim to be well informed on this.  It looks like a 40 year old HongKonger has a lot of control and investment, BICBW.  And Hugh Hurley, who steered the company through the very difficult transition when the Competition and Markets Authority were blocking certain ownerships, has stepped back.

I'd not previously seen any mention of 58.com being involved.  That site is a very big equivalent of ebay/gumtree in China,  and I've now found this very recent article:

https://www.onlinemarketplaces.com/articles/gumtree-uk-quietly-sold-to-chinese-owners-of-58-com/

[theelench]

As always the first line of defence is to deliberately mix together genuine private sellers with businesses trading illegally on private accounts.

You've told such "private" sellers that they are businesses on countless occasions so you do know the difference, why then muddy the water on a thread where mainly private sellers are registering their dis-approval of yet more restrictions on private sellers as ebay tries to prop-up sales for businesses. and increase their profit on our meager sales.

Apart from the spurious advertising claim that it's now Free to Sell for private sellers there is nothing in these latest changes that is of benefit to private sellers.  Increased prices for us helps businesses, unless we further reduce our prices to cover the cost of "Buyer Protection".  Holding our funds benefits only ebay.  Restricting our delivery options and inflating our delivery costs likewise helps businesses.  Portraying private sellers as sellers that buyers need protection from helps businesses.

Do you really think we should be happy with any of it???

How happy would you be if these same measures were dumped on business sellers instead?  As you say "Business operating on private accounts have probably brought these changes", so why are private sellers AGAIN suffering for the sins of businesses?

On what authority can you possibly know that "Genuine private sellers have nothing to worry about"?  It seems to me that with your attitude, you know very little about private sellers or why they sell here.

"So What" if ebay decided to hang onto your funds for a couple of weeks, of course you'd be complaining.  But it's quite OK with you that private sellers are regarded by ebay as so unreliable that they deserve to be treated in such a way and of course there's always the chance that you might gain a few extra sales out of the delays.

You've also been telling us for years that "Ebay aren't a charity, it's their site and they make the rules.  If you don't like them sell elsewhere".  That attitude might have washed and silenced private seller criticism in the past when those rules at least appeared to work and sales for all were relatively plentiful.

But not these days when the site is so biased towards business sellers that huge numbers of private sellers have already left in disgust, more are leaving with every change and the "Sales Off A Cliff" proliferate.

I wonder why??