The new when we get paid rules from February.

[nichsm_2913]

Ebay was always heavily weighted in favour of the Buyers, but this new mad rule thats coming in next month about having to wait two days after delivery is confirmed to get paid is simply beyond the pale.

And sometimes delivery conformation never comes, apparently in that situation we have to wait 14 days to get our money.  

This is disgusting and completely nuts. A self-destructive move from Ebay.

[jow1995]

Thanks for those "words of wisdom " from a seller who has sold 400 lots, compared to my 69k. 

Maybe you are over estimating the value your stock , or trying to sell items no one wants to buy.

Most business sellers started out as private sellers , many upgraded  correctly to business accounts .

Many have chosen not to,  have left, or are complaining about the new rules.

Private sellers need to move with the times or find another platform to sell on.

I still believe Ebay is still the best place to sell unwanted items, new rules or not.

All the complaining will not change a thing, but please keep trying.

[bittyboy101]

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@jow1995 wrote:

Most business sellers started out as private sellers , many upgraded  correctly to business accounts

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Most would still be "private sellers" if the folks at eBay hadn't bullied and blackmailed them into having to forcefully become "business sellers"

You and a few other "group posters" always seem to be trying hard to nudge and influence fellow private sellers into suddenly becoming business sellers in order to rake in more money for eBay and prevent them  from making a little bit of honest money on the side for themselves to help with the cost of their living... 

This is disgusting.  No need for this type of attitude by eBay and the people who work for them ! 

[kittycatsmum]

You say

"Private sellers need to move with the times or find another platform to sell on"

Been on Ebay for over 20 years and yes at times been a private seller, we do move with the times, no one privare or business has much choice on that, Ebay has changed the rules many times over the years, and continuing to use Ebay means acceptance of the new rules

Your attitude towards Private sellers seems a tad arrogant, you should consider that lots of those Private sellers are your businesses customers, lose Private sellers on Ebay and you lose some of your customer base. (For example I sell occasionally on Ebay, just clearout stuff, I then use the money I make to buy any stuff I need on Ebay, if im not selling on Ebay then im unlikely to be buying on Ebay)

I'm sick of being told on here to upgrade to a business account, and being treated less favourably as a private seller, Genuine Private sellers were the grass root foundations of Ebay, from the beginning, before businesses even thought of using the platform.

I always used a trackable delivery and don't actually mind waiting for payments either (i just keep it for any purchases on Ebay anyway) but I will 100% have a problem with simple delivery being forced on us, if I do not have some choice as to what delivery services are offered, because I cannot and will not use some delivery services (I only use Royal Mail Tracked and they collect/deliver from door to door)

You should bear in mind when your being arrogant towards private sellers that they are some of your customer base, but you will find that out soon enough, if Ebay does force them out your sales will drop too.

[vintique*violet]

Congratulations on your 69k sales, congratulations on running a business that works for you, perhaps you would hit 100k in no time at all if you refrained from interfering with other peoples "business" and concentrated on your own. 

[rayil-63]

Its very much the same for me been on ebay over 20 years will never go private as quite simply don't sell enough I don't mind waiting for payment but the side I don't like is the open door for buyers to claim items no as described and the fact postage rammed down your throat if they're going to make you purchase postage on ebay which they decide how much it is they can atleast make sure the charge is right Sent from my Galaxy

[jow1995]

I have no problem with genuine private sellers,, its the moaners who come on here with 22k of sales with 7k of items listed moaning about the new fees!

I often buy off private sellers, and find many give better service than business sellers.

The new rules are a right pain to many , but Ebay have thought long and hard and feel its the way forward, 

Ebay is a much more fun place with genuine private sellers. 

Only the seller knows if trading illegally.

[jow1995]

Yes i was thinking that myself, getting caught up in all this chit chat, production  is at a low ebb!

[johnwash1]

@jow1995 

"Private sellers need to move with the times..."

And how do you suggest sellers with mobility issues and/or in remote locations "move with the times" when mandatory SD comes in?

As someone has already remarked, you really do come across as exceedingly arrogant.  I wonder if you're like that in real life?  I hope not.  Or maybe you're just insulated from the diversity in the world, living in the centre of a city and all your acquaintances are able bodied.

Probably the same problem with the ebay CEO.

[a45heaven]

Only the seller knows if trading illegally.

And ebay who holds the financial information they hold for HMRC purposes, on the 'Private' sellers who they actively encourage to  list on ebay. 

Now with all that effort to recruit the sellers, what makes you think  they will sanction them into being a Business?

[vintique*violet]

If eBay hold all that information it would have been very easy for them to distinguish the " masqueraders" who continually sell under private accounts and are running business activities... eBay have failed to do this for over a decade or so and are continually failing ...going after a few private sellers who are genuinely selling off their own personal items either from bereavements, moving or simply unwanted which can amount to 100's if not 1000's over the years is a pointless exercise, it is going after the tiny fish when there are thousands of swarming sharks... unless that exercise was to harvest as much data as possible, which could then be used to monitor and sell... and yes big businesses /corporates sell your personal data! 

@a45heaven 

[a45heaven]

@vintique*violet 

Totally agree -  i wonder if there are considerations from HMRC to ebay for their extensive cooperations?

[bittyboy101]

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@vintique*violet wrote:

Congratulations on your 69k sales, congratulations on running a business that works for you, perhaps you would hit 100k in no time at all if you refrained from interfering with other peoples "business" and concentrated on your own. 

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Bravo ! 

I couldn't have put it better.

[bittyboy101]

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@jow1995 wrote:

I have no problem with genuine private sellers,, its the moaners who come on here with 22k of sales with 7k of items listed moaning about the new fees!

I often buy off private sellers, and find many give better service than business sellers.

Ebay is a much more fun place with genuine private sellers. 

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You mean eBay's more fun with less competition from the smaller private sellers ?

Thought so.

[theelench]

And there's your second line of defence / putdown of a private seller.  

Belittle, disparage and dismiss.

Of course I've sold lees than you, you're a business, I'm a part-time private seller.  I don't buy-in pallets of anything that might sell at a profit, I'm selling off 40 years of glass collecting and I know enough about my stock collection to know that my prices are reasonable and that people do want to buy my vintage glass.

That's how I managed to sell 7x the number of items I sold on ebay last year on a tiny site that doesn't have a business seller bias built into its search.  So please don't try being condescending by suggesting I don't know what I'm doing.

Who cares what most business sellers did years ago and how they became businesses, it's nothing to do with private sellers now or the newly introduced rules, you're just stirring the business / "private" pot again by insinuating that many who are complaining are really business sellers.  I'm sure you and your friends would have been having a field-day on all the threads on the subject, naming and shaming .  You haven't, which indicates to me that those complaining are real genuine private sellers.

You can believe whatever you like about ebay, others have differing opinions just as valid as yours.

I believe that ebay is far from the best site for selling unwanted goods these days and that these new restrictions on private sellers are only making worse.

[just_bsg_st_lotr_et_al]

What will happen is sellers will now shove items out as soon as they can in order to get paid soonest, but will pack items less securely and less capable of being protected from the rigours of the couriers or postal services. I used to like taking a few days if I sold anything, to find the right box, right packing, and people were very happy with that. I always had items out within the time I stated on listings and always met the required standards. Now if I do that I will have to wait an age before I even get the funds put onto ebay balance, (note, not into my bank account as I understood would happen, ebay are still keeping the cash and you have to prise it out of their grubby paws). So I'm looking into how they can legally do this, because from what I understood ebay's relationship was between buyer and seller when it came to a purchase/sale was basically one of the platform upon which items are sold, but that they were not a party to the purchase/sale itself. That would make what they are doing illegal. They have no rights to withhold the payment from a seller. If I go into a shop or buy from Amazon, etc. the payment is taken from me before I receive whatever I've bought. Ebay are contravening the rights of sellers to be paid promptly for items they are sending. Here's what they could have done, and that is to send payments to the seller's bank account when the item has a tracking number on after being dispatched. But keeping the funds until days after the item has been received is wholly acceptable. After many years on ebay, more than two decades on one account, I'll be winding everything down because this just isn't worth it any more.

[pzkpfwv1d]

There are at least 22 clauses in the document that apply, I attempted to insert but exceeded the 20000 character maximum

[pzkpfwv1d]

The range runs from contract transparency through contract fairness and on into black and grey area items 

Example - relevant to this post - holding of funds due delivery confirmation to awaiting and the implementation of Simple delivery (without pricing schedules) and transferring the fees onto the buyers.  This in itself contravenes numerous clauses of the Customer Rights Act 2015 from transparency through fairness to undue financial impacts ad infinitum 

Example - not relevant - three separate changes to listing terminology for Magic the Gathering since 2021 - this contravened transparency, fairness and several other clauses - note first instance was buried under severl different layers of search 

Example - identity confirmation - I will not even go here as this contravened just about every clause in the act 

[theelench]

Even Identity Verification has been Monetised now on ebay.  That's why it's always accompanied by a "Your funds are on hold" email.

[pzkpfwv1d]

I am fully aware of that but the instance I am getting at is the one that required photo identity, when I contacted CS twice I was told firstly that it was for tax purposes and then that it was the law but no explanantion of what law, because I am not allowed to drive for medical reasons and so do not have a driving licence and I have not been abroad since 1995 I had neither.  Complaint raised which took 5 weeks to get a reply.  Then told to send it to their solicitors eventually got back o 22nd February 2022 by which time all my listings were gone.  Lack of communication from ebay and no guidance to CS, every time I contacted CS was told I needed photo id and I had to tell them each time that according to their own rules as I did not have photo id other proofs of identity such as birth certificate and valid utility bill were acceptable 

[theelench]

I quite agree, the lack of communication, the refusal to tell you that other forms of I.D were acceptable and above all the refusal to help you negotiate ebay's process.  Leaving you and others to re-submit the same things repeatedly started when MP was introduced.

The process hasn't been streamlined or improved at all since then.  Because the longer it takes to resolve, the longer ebay gets to hold your money.