NO LONGER SELLING DUE TO SIMPLE DELIVERY

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

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My previous message:

Tried for the first time collection with Royal Mail and bring my label with SD.

Can still see: "Get Prepaid Label" and post by 23 July.

Hope it works: anyone having any success doing this? 

 

UPDATE: nothing has been collected by Royal Mail, parcel is still here. Have been waiting all day.

Conclusion: collection with Royal Mail via eBay does not work. Simple as that.

 

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Thanks for explaining that, as I've not listed anything since this unwanted debacle came into force I wasn't aware that what they're giving with one hand they take away with the other. Another underhand tactic 🤬

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I agree with your points that the changes to the BPF only have a real benefit at around the sub-£20 level (although that's still a better deal than before for sellers who mostly list cheaper items), and that any 'savings' compared to before are largely obliterated by SD prices, but the last part of your post confused me a bit.

 

The "cheap DVD" in your example (taking "cheap" to mean £10 or less) should be exempt from SD, or rather, you can send it via SD if you choose, but the Custom Postage option should also be there.

 

I'm currently listing a DVD priced at £6.99 (including BPF), and I've got the custom  option. If it sells, it'll cost me £2.00 to send RM 2nd class (it's a tad over 100g when packed, so just past the up-to-100g £1.55 band). I'll stick on a standard 1st class stamp (current value £1.70) and pay the 30p extra at the PO counter. As you say, I'll get a certificate of posting and cover for up to £20 (which is why many sellers would like eBay to change the sub-£10 SD exemption to sub-£20).

 

Have you tried to list a DVD for £10 or less and found that you were forced into SD, with no custom postage option available to you?

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@irt303 

I won't quote your long post, but that doesn't mean I thought it too long.  On the contrary, it seemed at times as if you were inside my head, so much matched.

 

I've not figured out which of the stuff I would otherwise have been listing can still avoid SD.  I haven't figured out whether SD, now that it's had quite a lot of revision, might be getting close to acceptable for me.  Though not being able to put 2 purchases into a single parcel, that's still a deal breaker for me.  And letting buyers select Evri even if a seller has explicitly excluded it... I still find it hard to believe people aren't mistaken about that.  Evri is another deal breaker for me until our local driver changes.

 

Meanwhile I should stop spending so much time trying to learn about SD in these forums and continue listing more items elsewhere.  Action I would never have contemplated 6 months ago.

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Vinted must be laughing themselves silly! And Gumtree probably not far
behind. But Gumtree gives you no inbuilt security either as a buyer or
seller. Everything is on trust. How long before the scammers that used to
plague eBay move to other platforms.
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The "cheap DVD" in your example (taking "cheap" to mean £10 or less) should be exempt from SD, or rather, you can send it via SD if you choose, but the Custom Postage option should also be there.

 

Thanks but that's not my understanding. Only letters, under 100g and under £10 are exempt from SD. A DVD is a large letter and they are not exempt - most of the DVDs I am, or rather was, selling were priced between £2 and £4, and the Royal Mail postage for a large letter was £1.55 with a proof of posting giving cover in case of loss. Under SD eBay not only want to charge buyers the surcharge on top, but then also want it sent by Royal Mail Tracked 48, at £2.70. The cost of a 'cheap' £2 DVD increases from £4 (£2 plus £2 postage) to£4.92 (£2 plus buyer surcharge 22p plus tracked postage at £2.70) - an increase of 23 per cent. Buyers won't want to pay it, it's difficult enough selling some DVDs as it is.
It's true I've not tried to list a cheap DVD yet because I've seen nothing yetthat tells me large letters are exempt too. Perhaps I should try but I have lost patience with eBay and the 450 or so items I would have listed are awaiting my decision what to do with them.

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Good and well explained posting from you, punzel.


Several of us would agree that we also now have lost patience with eBay and many that have not yet, will in the near future.

Could they have made a bigger mess then is currently experienced by the sellers and buyers that currently remain.

Other selling and buying online competitors will have noted eBays shortcomings and disastrous decisions in attempting to try and copy them.

 

There WILL be a rethink from eBay if they want to survive. Problem being is how long will it take for them to wake up !!

 

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Sounds like its much safer to book a collection via the Royal Mail web site at the min

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Link provided and promoted by eBay : does not work. Nobody from RM collected my parcel today . Just been on Live Chat: will be sorted out.  But that's already a day gone, from 2-3 delivery days also promoted by eBay,  without transit. 

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"Only letters, under 100g and under £10 are exempt from SD"

 

It now says letter sized and under £10

I have Blu-rays and DVDs listed all with custom postage.

DVDs are supposed to be except from SD according  to their except list. 

 

All my other items have been switched over to SD apart from Trading cards and DVDs. Letter sized items.

 

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@punzel9072 @    I don't know if you will ever see written anywhere. Large letter is allowed on custom postage but... You knew there would be a but... It depends on the item being on the exempt list. If it is, large letter is ok, but it is a constantly changing list.

I would probably wait until Aug 15th and take it from there. 

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Thank you for your reply.

 

Yes, combined postage is a hot potato. From what I can gather from reading the forums, SD does a sort of halfway job of combining postage, but only of course if the buyer adds multiple items to their cart before paying.

 

As you can tell from my posts, I can go on a bit. And, when listing on eBay, my natural inclination is to provide as much 'meta-sale' information as possible (i.e. not just information relating to the item listed) in order to try and avoid potential issues further down the line.

 

Thankfully, I manage to keep my descriptions fairly lean - plenty of details and photos of the item, but not much beyond that. That's because I know that large chunks of text in a listing explaining how I go about this or that, or asking the buyer to ensure they do x, y and z, will likely be not read, read but ignored, or will put buyers off.

 

I feel a strong urge to explain/state certain things in my listings, since buyers vary greatly in their knowledge of, and interest in, how things work on eBay, but at the same time I realize that doing so would probably be pointless at best, and counter-productive at worst.

 

want to explain in my listings that the BPF is not applied as a result of my choice. I want to explain that SD - where applicable - is down to eBay, not me. I want to point out to the buyer that if they wish to buy two or more of my items at the same time, and have them posted together, then they must add them to their cart and purchase them as one order, but that I have no control over whatever combined postage charge eBay comes up with. I want to let buyers know that eBay may override their or my choice of courier. And so on.

 

You get my drift. There are so many aspects that I feel I need to explain in case a less clued-up buyer thinks that I am overcharging on posting, or that I am adding this BPF onto my sale price, that I have sent something via RM when they chose Evri, etc. Basically, to say "Don't blame me, these things are down to eBay, and there's nothing I can do about them, as much as I'd like to."

 

I don't. I resist the desire to overload my listings in a vain attempt at controlling every aspect of the sale (in anticipation of eBay failing in their tight control of things). Instead, I hope and trust that a buyer of one of my items already 'knows the score' (perhaps due to also being a seller themselves), or at least will be reasonable should a problem occur.

 

For somebody with my mindset, it is very hard to avoid that desire to try and anticipate every possible outcome, and to try to head off negative outcomes by providing information which, if followed, should prevent them from occurring in the first place. It's also difficult to refrain from trying to make potential buyers aware beyond any doubt that certain elements of the sales and despatch processes are not my doing, but eBay's, and that I would love to do things differently, but cannot.

 

Even before the BPF and SD, I felt that every time I did a listing, eBay was putting me between a rock and a hard place. Now that I'm intending to resume selling (well, listing, anyway), I just know that I'm going to feel even more resentful about it. It's akin to anxiety dreams I've had in which I was telling the truth about something, but absolutely everybody else thought I was lying, no matter how sincere and consistent I was in my efforts to show otherwise (result: utter despair and anguish!). And in those dreams I could perfectly understand why everyone else would think that I was being dishonest, so I couldn't even be angry with them. With eBay, it's a case of wanting to make the buyer aware that certain things are enforced by eBay, but simultaneously realizing that any serious attempt to do so would result in it looking like I had something to hide, which I was trying to cover up with a load of explanations and suggestions. Or looking like I was the world's biggest control freak!

 

No wonder I'm so tense when I tie myself up in knots like this! I no longer feel like a 'partner' of eBay, that both parties are in a mutually beneficial relationship. I now feel more like a disposal, easily replaceable employee. I know that, whatever I get out of them, they are getting even more out of me. That sense of balance (even if was largely an illusion) has disappeared. I used to enjoy the fact that, largely because I was new to selling, eBay was keeping me on my toes to some degree - I was, and still am, too wet behind the ears to become lazy and complacent in my selling activity. However, that 'being kept on my toes' has taken a sinister turn; I now view eBay with suspicion and mistrust, and that is the main reason I feel the need to watch my footing very carefully. And I worry that even openly criticising them might lead to unfortunate repurcussions, anything from a post being moderated/removed to facing a permanent selling ban.

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With the greatest respect, your understanding may be slightly incorrect here - but with all that's going on, I'd be the last person to criticize another seller for failing to grasp something about SD. The goalposts keep moving, and different members often report different experiences in circumstances where there should be consistency (e.g. some sellers report being able to override the SD tracking number with their own, while others claim it is impossible for them). I also understand your feeling so hacked off with eBay that you're reluctant to even make the effort to engage with it at present - that was my attitude, too, and I'm only starting to list again out of a desperate need to de-clutter, not because I am in any way in favour of eBay's recent behaviour.

 

I can only reliably speak about my own experience, and currently I am being given the option of custom postage on my sub-£10 DVD (Large Letter size, 100g-250g band - although eBay just has 'Up to 1kg large letter, 35cm x 35cm x 2.5cm'). If that changes once the listing is live, you can bet your bottom dollar that I'll be back to have a moan about it! The SD option is, of course, also present on my listing, but like you say, that's £2.70. That's more than I'm willing to pay, and more than I'd expect a buyer to pay, but to be fair, it's an extra 70p for a tracked service compared to the £2 minimum I'd have to pay for an untracked service. I'm not averse to sending things untracked, but I don't think it's always worth the extra for lower priced items (I've rarely had problems with RM delivering my packages), and I would like to use up my supply of stamps.

 

I was under the strong impression (like yourself) that the packed weight had to be under 100g in order for the item to be SD-exempt, which is why I couldn't get my head around sub-£10 DVDs being excluded (unless the seller was not posting the case). My own example indicates that this is no longer the case, but until the listing goes live, I won't know for sure. It truly is a mess of epic proportions.

 

I started going off on a tangent about how hard it is to sell - or even donate - DVDs, but that's another topic for perhaps another time.

 

Anyway, do whatever you're comfortable with, but if you do try and list a DVD for a tenner or less, you may be pleasantly surprised to find that you can select custom postage. I shouldn't even have to say "you may be" as though I were one of the community team; it should be a straightforward binary "Yes, it will be exempt" or "No, it won't be exempt". But that's where we're at in this point in time...

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The main problem I face is I like to send all my listings Royal Mail 48
hour tracked. There are a couple of reasons for this. Firstly I can
literally keep track of the parcel. Secondly I know that the buyer has
received it. I know the vast majority of people are honest, but there are a
few that may deny receiving it and want a refund. And I have seen the item
re listed !! I always check a buyer’s feedback before sending the item. I
know EBay is a lot better in this respect than it used to be, but old fears
don’t easily go away. Simple Delivery, auto feed and all the new inventions
don’t work for me.
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Posting this separate to my other reply, but may I ask how you used to manage to send a DVD (when you were selling) at the LL up-to-100g rate of £1.55?

What type of packaging were you using? Did you just send the disc and sleeve (no case)? I find the latter unlikely, as not only would there be much protection for the contents, but you would probably have been able to send that at the normal letter rate.

 

I hope you don't think I'm being nosy or trying to gauge a 'competitor's' way of doing things! It's just that I often can't figure out how to provide adequate packaging (usually a jiffy bag or a cardboard mailer) and keep within 100g.

 

Well, as is often the case, I've answered my own question before even posting the question! The DVD I'm listing has a slipcover. It's only thin card stock, but it alone weighs 20g! If I leave that out, the packed weight is 89g, so even with parcel tape added it would not exceed 100g.

 

On that basis, I'm guessing you were sending out single-disc releases (I suspect additional discs would tip the package over the 100g mark) without slips.

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"I would probably wait until Aug 15th and take it from there."

 

Is that a new date set by eBay for the SD rollout completion? I'm sure I read it was August 6th. Apologies if I'm mistaken.

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EBay removed the text in the help pages saying LLS need to go by SD 

and also when you get custom postage up LL is an option

so I’d bet a fiver LLs are allowed with untracked postage

 

 Not  to mention that so many of the exempt items just do NOT FIT into a simple letter size lol

 

 

 

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Thanks for clarifying that for punzel9072 (and for me!). As soon as I read your post, I vaguely recalled reading about that change. Everything becomes a bit of a blur after a while!

 

Whoever coined the term 'Simple Delivery' must surely be in line for some kind of award - 'Most Blithely Disingenuous Name of the Decade', or something like that.

 

[Only it probably wasn't down to some individual, eBay no doubt spent thousands of dollars on a top-end consultancy firm to come up with that!]

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August the 15th is only 17 weekends till Christmas!

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@honeymonster007  Hi Honey! Thanks for the reminder! The nights are drawing in aren't they! 

@irt303 Hi, irt. I could easily have the date wrong! I mean who cares, they will not achieve it anyway! Apologies if I got it wrong.

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