NO LONGER SELLING DUE TO SIMPLE DELIVERY

[rugbyguy1960]

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

[welshjoskin]

Simply F*****g Awful Delivery would be the best name for it. 

[parsley2003]

It's about returns not lost parcels so yes it looks like the seller pays the postage back and probably for the return postage as well. This gets worse every day

[the_book_seekers]

It's about returns not lost parcels so yes it looks like the seller pays the postage back and probably for the return postage as well. This gets worse every day

If a seller has to pay the original postage back because of a return I would hope there is more of a reason, like the seller not engaging in the returns process.  If ebay just gets to keep the out going postage for returns that would then seem like a  way of fining the seller for getting the return. ebay needs to explain how they are going to operate this.

[akemp1]

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@parsley2003 wrote:

It's about returns not lost parcels so yes it looks like the seller pays the postage back and probably for the return postage as well. This gets worse every day

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But then if a seller gets an INAD under the current system then they would have had to write-off both the outbound and return postage costs (assuming they want it back) and give the buyer all their money back so what's the difference other than that the outbound will be charged at SD rates? Sure the buyer never got paid for the outbound but they don't have to give that money back just the item proceeds as it is ebay giving the outbound delivery and buyer tax money back to the buyer? I love how mind-bendingly simple this is but in this scenario it seems almost the same impact to the seller as now?

[parsley2003]

As long as Ebay pay the outbound back yes there is no problem the seller shouldn't because they never got the money in the first place. Maybe we are looking for problems that aren't there.

[the_book_seekers]

Sure the buyer never got paid for the outbound but they don't have to give that money back just the item proceeds 

Under the terms and conditions for simple delivery ebay has stated that the seller may also have to pay for the out going postage as well. The t&cs give no details of why this could be the case.

[edwardian-dreams]

so what's the difference other than that the outbound will be charged at SD rates

the way I read this (in the article originally quoted) was that the outbound rate is never paid to the seller under simple delivery so why would they have to reimburse it is the question

ebay are paid by the buyer for sd labels 

the Carrier is paid by eBay for their service

Someone has to pay the original postage back 

It seems to me that eBay should as they have not been at expense in this equation ????

[wintersdawn1]

Surely if there is a return the seller refunds the item price to the buyer and ebay refunds the outbound postage cost that the buyer bought from them through simple delivery?

[akemp1]

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@the_book_seekers wrote:

Sure the buyer never got paid for the outbound but they don't have to give that money back just the item proceeds 

Under the terms and conditions for simple delivery ebay has stated that the seller may also have to pay for the out going postage as well. The t&cs give no details of why this could be the case.

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But how is that different to an INAD now (other than SD outbound might cost a bit more) where the seller has to pay for both the outbound and return (if they want it back) and between them and ebay they have to give the buyer a total refund?

[akemp1]

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@edwardian-dreams wrote:

so what's the difference other than that the outbound will be charged at SD rates

the way I read this (in the article originally quoted) was that the outbound rate is never paid to the seller under simple delivery so why would they have to reimburse it is the question

ebay are paid by the buyer for sd labels 

the Carrier is paid by eBay for their service

Someone has to pay the original postage back 

It seems to me that eBay should as they have not been at expense in this equation ????

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I would expect that the seller would give the buyer the item sale price back, ebay would give the buyer the SD and buyer tax back and ebay would charge the seller for the outbound SD and return cost.

[akemp1]

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@wintersdawn1 wrote:

Surely if there is a return the seller refunds the item price to the buyer and ebay refunds the outbound postage cost that the buyer bought from them through simple delivery?

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Yes whatever was paid by the buyer to the seller and ebay should get reversed.

I think that happens now where it would be ebay refunding the buyer tax.

It's just that ebay might come after the seller to pay the SD cost similar to how the buyer would have paid the outgoing cost under the old system. And of course ebay will still want to charge the buyer for the return cost if they want it back.

[edwardian-dreams]

Why would ebay charge the seller for the outbound postage when it was them that got paid for it and not the seller  …you mean like a penalty for a return ?

Think I’m done for the night on this

you need to be Stephen Hawkins imo with sd lol

[akemp1]

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@edwardian-dreams wrote:

Why would ebay charge the seller for the outbound postage when it was them that got paid for it and not the seller  …you mean like a penalty for a return ?

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Because in a case of a genuine INAD it's the seller at fault so it's the seller who should pickup the cost of both the outbound and return. If ebay have refunded the buyer the postage costs they will want to charge what they have paid the carrier (plus more as it's SD...) it to the seller's account so that ebay are not out of pocket for the seller's failure.

[edwardian-dreams]

But eBay haven’t paid the carrier anything…the buyer did 😐

ebay just passed it over 

so they can just pass it back ?

ok I best stop obviously my brain isn’t logical 

[akemp1]

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@edwardian-dreams wrote:

But eBay haven’t paid the carrier anything…the buyer did 😐

ebay it’s passed it over 

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For an INAD the buyer would get a total refund of the money they paid the seller (for the item from the seller) and the money they paid ebay (for the buyer tax + SD from ebay) so ebay are in a position where the money the buyer paid them has been given back so ebay have no money to pay the carrier which is why they will want to be paid the SD by the seller who made the mistake.

[wintersdawn1]

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@akemp1 wrote:

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@edwardian-dreams wrote:

But eBay haven’t paid the carrier anything…the buyer did 😐

ebay it’s passed it over 

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For an INAD the buyer would get a total refund of the money they paid the seller (for the item from the seller) and the money they paid ebay (for the buyer tax + SD from ebay) so ebay are in a position where the money the buyer paid them has been given back so ebay have no money to pay the carrier which is why they will want to be paid the SD by the seller who made the mistake.

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Thanks for explaining, think I'm starting to get it now.  So many changes lately, hard to keep it all in my head 😖

[lucy_farmer]

'Interesting they refer to simple delivery as Managed Shipping. '

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Yes...perhaps they're trying a Windscale/Sellafield manoeuvre😂   or possibly a Hermes/Evri type re-branding!

[edwardian-dreams]

Simple when you think about it after all 

sorry for making you go through it all step by step for us dummies 

cheers for explaining

🌺👍

still thinking…bad move

why did the author on that article give a warning then if it was nothing out of the ordinary 

and linking it to simple delivery 

[akemp1]

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@edwardian-dreams wrote:

Simple when you think about it after all 

sorry for making you go through it all step by step for us dummies 

cheers for explaining

🌺👍

still thinking…bad move

why did the author on that article give a warning then if it was nothing out of the ordinary 

and linking it to simple delivery 

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Its just my expectation of how it would work and be almost reasonable as ideally they shouldn't be seeking to profit from the seller's failure by applying full SD rates which are more than their carrier costs. I have no idea what they will implement but doubt they will miss a trick where they have refunded the buyer the SD and are stuck with a postage cost to eat or recharge the seller.

I just find it fascinating what a complicated mess they have created and how all this will eventually fail and need reworking when they realise their greed has created a totally uncompetitive buying and selling proposition.

I've seen several Youtuber resellers say that their sales at ebay and the other place have now reached parity or even the order flow at the other place has now overtaken ebay. None of this is a fully representative sample but my personal experience is that my stuff is selling better there on a per listing basis.

Ebay seem to be rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic or maybe stabing holes in their lifeboats.

[edwardian-dreams]

A Laurel and hardy scenario 

unfortunately 

for some reason 

nobody’s laughing though 

not one or the other 

strange 

Thanks again for the detail explanation