Disillusioned With Selling And Buying

[rugbyguy1960]

THIS THREAD IS NOT JUST TO POST  COMMENTS  THAT ARE NOT FACT.

I hope that there are now plenty of fed up private sellers and buyers who despise these new changes.

Ebay used to be a fun place to buy and sell but recently thanks to the greed of the shareholders and Owners it's becoming intolerable.

Once my last 5 listings hopefully sell there won't be anymore listed until ebay changes and go back to happier times. I even now buy things from companies direct that I once brought on ebay which now looks over their peak and on the downward slippery slope.

Holding payments, charges, and various fees for buyers and sellers are just a few. I cannot now trust or believe what ebay say.

[rugbyguy1960]

If a buyer doesn't know if I'm honest or being transparent then all they need to do is look at my feedback and comments left.

If a buyer doesn't want to make a offer that's their choice if they don't think my start price is fair.

Also a seller wouldn't get repeat buyers if they thought a start price wasn't fair.

I don't look at things from a buyer only point of view.

You have your views as a buyer and I have my views as a seller/buyer.

[papso22]

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@podlingsmum2007 wrote:

MY price is within the description and mention of the added fee. There is nothing confusing about it. It gets broken down at checkout. And I do not have any postage at £3.50

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Where is 'your' price in the description of the Asos burgundy dress?  All I see is the price of £4.95, which will include the BPF.

My earlier figures were examples for illustrative purposes not your actual figures. 

[podlingsmum2007]

We don't know what the fee is for do we? So I can't explain what it is to buyers. I have re-worded it to 'Ebay will have added their fee. See breakdown at checkout.'

[podlingsmum2007]

Did you reduce your price a little and add it on to the postage of £4 or is that a signed for 2nd class service? 

[johnwash1]

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@rugbyguy1960 wrote:

Yes price rules.

My listings always are a auction with a best offer option in case a buyer didn't think that my starting price wasn't a fair price.

However, if I list something starting at 10 I expect that to be what a buyer sees. NOT a higher starting price because of the mandatory BPF.

Many sellers were ok with paying a listing fee. No confusion and sellers and buyers would know what it would cost them to sell and buy.

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[boggle]  So you're open to offers LESS than your auction starting price?  That amazes me.  When I do auctions (which is less and less in recent years, because auction frenzy is a distant memory for me), my intent in allowing offers is to receive offers HIGHER than the starting price.  In other words, a chance for someone to pre-empt any bidding war and secure the item at a price they're content with.

Tyre kickers who make stupid offers?  There's this thing called a blocked buyers list.  Quite useful.

But of course, run auctions in whatever way suits you, I'm not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that not everyone thinks the same way.

[rugbyguy1960]

My minimum best offer start until the last couple of weeks was always the same as my auction start price because I believed it to be fair.

However I have had to increase my minimum offer start since BPF kicked in because the auction start price I chose to start with isn't what buyers now see.

It's not due to greed it's because I would now make a loss on every item I sold as a best offer acceptance.

That is obvious a big contributor to best offers on my listings falling off the cliff.

[*devils.advocate*]

Ah, the reliability of the old chestnut of feedback - when so many on the Boards previously complained that so few buyers leave feedback - and especially recently with the (ridiculous) non-release of sales monies?

Because of MBG, buyers haven’t needed to look at feedback for years.

And if a start price isn’t in the region being considered or isn’t right in the buyer’s eyes, how many will just pass on by?

….. I don't look at things from a buyer only point of view …..

Maybe sellers should?

[rugbyguy1960]

A little while ago today there were some interesting posts between a buyer only and me.

My responses were from a seller/buyer point of view because I sell aswell as buy but I am now selling and buying less due to these changes.

[wintersdawn1]

Don't blame you, offer's for a private seller can result in a nasty surprise for the seller as if they accept an offer from a buyer the BHP is deducted from the offer price by ebay and the seller receives the rest/lower amount than offered. 

[rugbyguy1960]

Like I said I look at both sides.

I'm not a business so if a buyer doesn't think my start price is fair and can't be bothered to look at feedback and comments and don't want to bother making a offer then it's not a great loss to me if they want to fly past and go looking for what they believe is a better deal.

[rugbyguy1960]

I found that out very quickly lol. So decided there was no choice to increase my best offer start prices.

It would be a even bigger nightmare if I was a business on here which is something that will never happen.

[*devils.advocate*]

..... I even now buy things from companies direct .....

As do I, but I don't look at, or for, any internet feedback which may have been left for them.

Why should anyone look at it on here?

And if we (you and I) buy things direct elsewhere, is it any wonder items on here don't sell?

[rugbyguy1960]

The only reason I now buy more directly is because I don't agree with most of the new changes.

Also I was making the point that if a buyer feels that they don't trust me or don't believe me they have the choice to look at feedback and comments received.

I also think you'll be surprised at just how many genuine sellers on here are buyers too.

Platforms like this only get to the size they do because of the money they make from sellers and buyers.

Not just one or the other.

[vinylscot]

There it is!!!

Item description from seller

Burgundy over sized jumper dress asos size 10 £4.06

Crew neck, long sleeve, 100% Cotton, curved hem

[papso22]

Gosh that was well hidden and without an explanation just looks like a typo.  It will simply cause confusion for buyers who really don't care.

[podlingsmum2007]

If buyers are that confused then they need to go back to school. Why should I explain how ebay have added an unnecessary odd fee to my price! I have stated Ebay will have added their fee and the breakdown will be shown at checkout. 

[papso22]

The point is you don't have to say, or do, anything about the fee.

[kath3735_wxmjn]

I agree with you apart from one little bit and that is the last sentence, price does rule but coming a close second is delivery because i would never buy from anyone using EVRI.  In fact that is my rule no 1 (as the local courier does not think that anywhere off the main road should have a delivery!), i will pay a bit more if it between EVRI and another delivery courier.

[kath3735_wxmjn]

I have always put my items on at the price i would like for them, then i see how they go and reduce as the weeks go by (or not, as sometimes i stick to what i want).  The £4 has been my postage rate since the last post increase, the actual cost is £3.75 and the 25p helps towards the packing.  All my items are sent wrapped in tissue paper and in a clean new bag - no dirty old bin liners for me!   Costs me a fair amount in packing materials to do it that way but i like to send how i would like to receive.

[*devils.advocate*]

As I've mentioned before (and I think you agree) that the buyer's fee will be insignificant against Simplistic Delivery if it is made mandatory and left entirely and solely up to the buyer.

SD will be very decisive - if they handle it poorly - and eBay's past deals in the postage line have been diabolical.