08-08-2025 5:30 PM
Is any one else stopping selling because they've reached their 30 item a year limit and don't want to disclose their national insurance number, personally I think ebay should pull the platform from the UK if the Government don't lift or remove this stupid bit of legislation, See you all in 12 months.
23-10-2025 7:00 AM
What about those of us inbetweeners then?! I sell my extended family items as a 'hobby', i enjoy selling online and car booting and it is most definitely a hobby with me (certainly not in it for profit, i would be bankrupt by now!). I like it, the rest of them do not or simply do not have time with working or because they prefer doing other things. Works for us but as they are not my direct family (i have none, single, no children and i live on my own - small violins only please, my choice!) i am waiting with bated breath to see how the taxman fits it in to their scenario. I have never bought an item to sell on, far too much like hard work!
23-10-2025 7:02 AM
I have thought it through and decided that i should not pay tax at all or follow any other law - never going to happen though so i will just go ahead and make the best of a bad job! Your choice but it sounds like cutting off your nose......
23-10-2025 7:43 AM
@tranceenthusiast wrote:
You don’t get it do you?
It’s about the principles of it. 30 low valued items for a private seller does not warrant handing over national insurance details… This should only be triggered by value of items sold and the amount is really low? 1700? Lol..
So if someone sell’s a single high value item that’s it, they are legally obliged to hand this data over.
As already pointed out, the limits were set by agreement between over 30 participating countries. It is entirely possible that the UK thought they were too low but were outvoted meaning we are stuck with them.
It's not about principles when it's the law. The law requires ebay to send sales data together with NI numbers, to HMRC, when either threshold is triggered. The law does not require members to provide their NI number to ebay, but there will be consequences if they don't.
That's just how it is and no amount of complaining, or wishing it was done differently will change that.
23-10-2025 8:13 AM
It is about principles... I will now have to make sure I don’t sell over 30 in a year now out of principle cheers. Ridiculous nonsense mate. Sure if someone is lying about running a business punish them don’t punish someone like myself for selling stuff that’s been sat in my cupboard since I was 15.. 🥴
23-10-2025 8:15 AM
That's your choice, mate.
23-10-2025 8:17 AM
Sure is 👌👍
23-10-2025 8:55 AM
In my case, when it comes to my own personal stamp collection, I sell what I no longer want on a private ID. What I am hanging on to are those first day covers from the 80s onwards that I collected that have my name (maiden) on and were addressed to me as proof Ive been collecting a long time. The stamps I sell on this ID (business) have been specifically bought to sell ie trading. I have managed to make a small business out of my knowledge. I need to be able to prove to some extent that my personal items are mine. Im selling mostly low value multiples that Im pulling out of boxes (decluttering, its surprising how much space stamps take up and I need the attic space) although I do have some higher value for sale (mostly duplicates due to inherited collections) as that money goes towards repairs and needs must and all that - car is currently in the garage with no power steering and its a pricey fix.
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23-10-2025
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i stopped selling even though i hardly sell anything , really hope an ebay alternative comes along , by the way gumtree is owned by ebay and it went down during the recent amazon cloud outage , i also attempted to report it , also if you are on a thread thats busy you get bombarded with emails , i think ebay is not a suitable platform for private sellers and I hope another platform that takes the positives of ebay and removes all the negatives comes along
23-10-2025 9:50 AM
yes even my bank do not have my national insurance number
23-10-2025 9:51 AM
you are correct but you wont find much in the way of support on this platform as I have discovered to my cost , the people here are always in favour of all the rules and they will gang up on those of who see no need for them
23-10-2025 9:54 AM
i just try and sell second hand clutter , low value items , anyway i am not going to make any more comments on this platform, too many comments get censored and its a hostile conformist atmosphere , bye
23-10-2025 9:58 AM
Presumably you believed Google's AI response but I do wish people would double-check their 'facts'.
eBay owned Gumtree between 2002 and 2020, when it was sold to Adevinta ASA, who then sold Gumtree in December 2021 to a consortium comprising of O3 Industries (a New York Investment Fund) and Novum Capital (a Private Equity firm based in Frankfurt).
You're welcome.
23-10-2025 10:04 AM
" if you are on a thread thats busy you get bombarded with emails"
You just have to tick the 'unsubscribe' box.
23-10-2025 10:08 AM
no thats not how i found out, it was on a website down app that listed ebay as the owner , anyway both gumtree and ebay are based in the same buildings , many businesses are owned by the same people using different companies anyway
you're welcome
23-10-2025 10:11 AM
no just about it, i already did but i wake up to find like 10 messages mostly unhelpful or hostile , no need to reply as i am trying to leave this platform but if people keep replying i feel obliged to reply as well
23-10-2025 10:20 AM
@kath3735_wxmjn wrote:What about those of us inbetweeners then?! I sell my extended family items as a 'hobby', i enjoy selling online and car booting and it is most definitely a hobby with me (certainly not in it for profit, i would be bankrupt by now!). I like it, the rest of them do not or simply do not have time with working or because they prefer doing other things. Works for us but as they are not my direct family (i have none, single, no children and i live on my own - small violins only please, my choice!) i am waiting with bated breath to see how the taxman fits it in to their scenario. I have never bought an item to sell on, far too much like hard work!
That is exactly why the "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" advice is so wrong" IMO. Many private sellers will have singular reasons for selling on ebay that are unique to their circumstances and with HMRC having the ability to demand proof to back up any sellers claim that they are selling their own property, they could deem many of them to have been trading. Unless they can show receipts / photos or some other form of proof to show they are not liable for any tax.
My case, briefly. In 1986 the GLC, where I worked was abolished, redundancy loomed. Decided to move out of London. An interminable house sale chain, broken by a cash buyer provided they could have possession by a certain date. My beautiful Burr Walnut Deco furniture sold to a dealer😢. My Deco glass collection packed and stored in father's garage, where most of it stayed until I started sorting it and selling some of it on ebay in 2012. As sales fell I also started selling on ebid and sold on both until 2024.
Parents have passed away, their house was sold and I have no proof of when I bought most of what I've been selling, it came from 'junk' shops, jumble sales, boot fairs, collectors fairs etc mainly for cash. Some of it over 40 years ago. So to HMRC it looks like I've had enough "stock" to sell on-line for over a decade and for part of that time have been selling on 2 sites and have no proof that I've never bought anything to sell on, when / where I bought most items (apart from a few I bought on ebay/ebid/etsy).
With the govt. regularly finding fiscal Black Holes that it, just as regularly, needs to increase taxation to fill I can see that I could end up being billed by HMRC for supposed Trading although, like many others, I've never been a Trader or used my selling as a 'side-hustle'. Having had some experience of dealing with HMRC during my 20+ years of Self Employment, I can very easily see that they may well hit 'easy targets' first, to boost revenue quickly and 'expose' how widespread tax evasion is, justifying their actions.
23-10-2025 1:35 PM
A bank does not normally require your National Insurance number if you just want to open an account, but as I said, you will have to give your NI number if you want to open an ISA with a bank or building society. The government web site confirms what I've said.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-open-an-isa-as-an-isa-manager
23-10-2025 1:56 PM
Presumably you believed Google's AI response but I do wish people would double-check their 'facts'.
eBay owned Gumtree between 2002 and 2020, when it was sold to Adevinta ASA, who then sold Gumtree in December 2021 to a consortium comprising of O3 Industries (a New York Investment Fund) and Novum Capital (a Private Equity firm based in Frankfurt).
According to Companies House, since September 2024 gumtree.com has been owned by Ocean Link / 58.com, which is a Chinese company.
23-10-2025 2:40 PM
You are quite correct, moonlight-rhapsody - Ocean Link purchased Gumtree UK from O3 Industries/Novum Capital in September 2024 - but I felt that naming two owners of the business post eBay's ownership was sufficient to prove the point.
Further (albeit brief) searching appears to show that Gumtree Australia is currently owned by The Market Herald and Gumtree South Africa is currently owned by Impresa Capital but whoever owns which bit of it the bottom line is it's not eBay.
24-10-2025 1:10 AM - edited 24-10-2025 1:14 AM
I do understand the reason why they need to make sure people are not exploiting these platforms while running a business though. There is a stark difference between person selling old *bleep* to raise some funds or just clear out vs someone who is blatantly running an online store business. When someone has thousands of sales and listings questions must be asked I guess. 😊