GPSR Compliance

[bojangled]

This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?

It's not an exempt category. 

Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ? 

My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off. 
Jo

[a45heaven]

ah thanks ,  i dont use the river alas - have they also started taking fees to cover regulations impossed ?

[pillarboxred]

I decided to block all of Europe from my listings but then noticed that the only item with any activity had mostly EU based bidders so hurriedly emailed everyone to say I was going to adopt a different approach and they could continue bidding. I don't know what the different approach can be. To be safe, we will have to treat our buyers as persons with additional needs and spell out warnings such as "books are made of paper which can catch fire" or "this wine glass could smash and cut you".

I reckon that the UK has a large enough market to absorb most of our offerings and, with lower postage, eBay takes less from the proceeds. When something has a small profit but costs a lot to post, say £40 to Germany, eBay's 10% is £4 of that and if your profit of £10 it goes down to £6 whereas if you sell to the UK  the postage will be much less and that fee deduction will leave you with a larger share of proceeds.

[ojewellery]

Don't forget that NI is the other side of the customs barrier so subject to this.  So postage settings switched off need to include NI.  We can ship to GB not UK.

[camerapartsuk]

What about Jersey and Guernsey?

[therenewalworkshopltd]

This is all to do with the EU.  So no.

[ojewellery]

Since Brexit they have a full customs border to EU.  They fall under the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA)

[giftgrab]

Both not in EU and come under GB so ok to keep. However caution as in business policies under exclusion on postage, the Channel Islands appear in the Uk section and also under the Europe drop down box?!?

if you untick under Europe you might get a gpsr hit and if you don't it may block them....

[giftgrab]

NI does ... But under UK guidance for GPSR channel islands referred  as GB and not part of Wilson agreement or linked to EU

are we sure?

[camerapartsuk]

That was my wonder as I have already blocked NI and EU but Guernsey and
Jersey were included in the Europe section.

Also when sending to the channel Islands, I'm pretty sure RM require a CN22
for some mental reason.

[ojewellery]

The Windsor agreement is because there can't be a hard border on the island of Ireland.    The channel islands Bailiwicks have made their own agreements with the UK.  Jerseys below, apologies to any Guernsey folk haven't searched for your equivalent.

https://www.gov.je/Government/Departments/JerseyWorld/pages/relationshipeuanduk.aspx

[ojewellery]

They're not EU but they're also not UK.  They are independantly administered.  I spent many happy summers sailing around them through my childhood and asked way too many questions.

They are in Europe - are they in the Europe section not EU section?

My head's getting to that spinning stage.

[goodfella66]

This whole thing is just an old mafia style protection racket but wrapped up in a cloak of health & safety.

Also, why does a business have to jump through hoops while a private seller selling the same thing gets waved through with a pat on the head? Either the product needs all this health & safety nonsense or it doesn't, regardless of who's selling it.

[therenewalworkshopltd]

You do of course realise, that it's not Ebay that is implementing this don't you?

So if it's mafia style tactics, you need go engage with the EU Mafia!

[tjones180]

Yes of course, but Ebay have interpreted the legislation and created the exclusion list. The legislation may or may not have some merit. It's the implementation of it that needs sorting out. I would urge Ebay to extend the exclusion list and see what the response would be.

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[billythecardy]

The exclusion list is pretty much directly lifted from the Regulation, eBay haven't messed with it.  They have just applied it to the relevent categories. 

It's a legal document so they have to abide by it.  How the EU interpret it will only become clear once it's actually in operation I fear. 

[therenewalworkshopltd]

I suggest that you go back and read the comment that I responded to!

This whole thing is just an old mafia style protection racket but wrapped up in a cloak of health & safety.

As to the second part, it's quite clear the poster hasn't got a clue about the legislation and is blaming Ebay directly.

Issues with the way Ebay is/isn't interpreting things etc are entirely different, to the EU mafia!

You cannot blame Ebay for this not being implemented around private sellers.

And frankly, to expect them to include a private seller is silly.  Since when have private sellers been under anything like the same restrictions as a business.  And I very much doubt that they ever will be.

[goodfella66]

Au Contraire. I fully understand that the blame lies with the EU mafia and not blaming Ebay for the legislation at all. But the legislation is about the product so surely the EU rules should apply to that product regardless of who is selling it. It's no safer because a private seller has sold it. To be honest, the whole thing is a nonsense and, like I said previously, it is nothing more than EU protectionism.

[aj_swift]

Sorry if this has already been asked, I don't have time to go back through all 16 pages. Have eBay actually confirmed that if I switch off EU and NI postage I can carry on as normal? Not asking if it should work (of course it should) but if they have confirmed it actually will. I am dreading discovering in December that eBay have rolled it out to the UK as well because it's easier for them or nobody expected us to use that as a workaround. 

[bzmotman]

They have NOT applied it to the relevent categories. Try doing a test listing in Antiques & you will get asked for the GPSR disclosures when they are quite clearly exempt.

I am listing 10 auctions tonight of items that are more than 100 years old. All can easily & definitively proved to be pre 1924 so should be exempt from GPSR but Ebay are asking for the disclosures.

If Ebay wont implement the legislation correctly what chance do sellers have. They have put this statement on all our listings about complying with EU law yet it appears they intend not to themselves.

[bzmotman]

100% agree. They have created a short list of exclusions seemingly ignoring the fact that in many collectable categories items can be over 100 years old & therefore classified as Antiques & exempt.

They need to create a box within every collectables category to define the age of an item - either specific year or era. There is such a system in postcards though whether this will kick in & make items exempt is debatable.