Maths Mastery, what is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36772954

 

They're going to spend £41 million promoting "Maths Mastery" but what the heck is it? Please, no links.

 

Anyone familiar with it? Show some examples of the teaching?

 

I've looked at loads of links and all they seem to show is waffle and gobbledygook about how wonderful it is and how pleased they are with it.

 

What's the difference between current teaching and that "method"?



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Probably 

going back to how it was taught 60 years ago, before successive 'progressive' government's started messing about with it.

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Wouldn't worry about it - after all isn't £41 million less than the amount we are saving each day on money we send to the EU? 🙂

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I'm disappointed. When I saw that the last post was made by UTCYA when I refreshed the RT page, I thought the font of all knowledge had enlightened us all about the mysteries of Maths Mastery but I'm saddened that he's just reinforced my view that whatever it is should have been called Maths Mystery.

 

After all the views it looks like everyone has the same amount of knowledge about the subject as me........ nowt!



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I asked my niece, who is a Maths teacher at secondary level,about this. This is her reply:

'It's a smaller curriculum with less content and more focus on numeracy and algebra. There are larger class sizes and it is very teacher led. There is some rote learning, but only as much as we do over here.  I've had some training in it, and we are adopting it in our department. It promotes visual understanding.'

'The reason our kids are 3 years behind (Maths Mastery is an Asian concept), is not because of teaching style, but because Asian students have a completely different ethos towards schooling. It is a massively disciplined environment where lack of respect is punished physically and lack of achievement is seen as embarrassing.'

 

Does that help CeeDee?

Seems we need more discipline and physical punishment over here!😄 I don't think I would argue with that!

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No. That's basically what I've read on many sites, it tells you nothing. Just gobbledygook.

 

One thing your niece pointed out, which was what I was "saving" for a later response is the discipline (nay, even dedication) towards schooling by Asian scholars and the pressure put on them by parents and teachers. Kids here (well, the kids in general) wouldn't put up with that.



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Sounds like an expensive waste of time.

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Why does it cost 41 Million to go back to basics?

 

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Not just discipline and pressure they wouldn't put up with - it's also a matter of the ethos.

 

Adults in this country see no shame in saying that they are useless at maths or don't see the point in learning about the subject let alone enjoying it.

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Is this not more about helping those with no natural mathematical talent to grasp the basics of maths and algebra. Many struggle however those that don't are unlikely to understand. For some algebra is obvious for others it is confusing or stupid. Those of us who recognise the power of maths of algorithms know full well that this is a real science and one which provides many answers. If there is a system which helps people grasp the basics more readily then surely that should be encouraged. Maths opens up so much opportunity it challenges and stimulates, for many it is a mystery and something that makes little or no sense, In reality the more that understand its basics the better does learning become.

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Easy.....parents should tell their kids..' You can't have a mobile phone or an IPad unless you pass your Maths exams...with flying colours' .....maybe that would work. That's one of the big problems these days....the kids are running the whole show. 

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Yes you are right Astro, the kids are running the show, or are they? They don't yet earn a living, they are dependent on their parents and their parents seem hell bent on giving them what they never had, determined to challenge teachers to treat them with kid gloves, determined to see their offspring hitting the heady heights they never achieved. The very wealthy want their children coached to success and will pay a fortune to achieve it. That is why the uk today has a shedload of highly qualified inept people, no fire, no talent and precious little common sense.

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And these are the ones who voted to stay in the EU, and poured scorn and derision on older folks who used common sense and voted to leave.

Sorry......wandered slightly off topic there, but it is relevant to Archies post. Parents who never say  'No' to their kids are not doing their kids any favours, or preparing them for the real world. Discipline is sadly lacking in schools today, and so is respect for teachers. 

I will never understand how they think children learn more while they are sitting in little groups talking among themselves, rather than sitting in rows facing, and paying attention to, their teacher.

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When I was at school............. I asked the maths teacher what we would use algebra for in "normal" life and if he could give an example. He threw some chalk at me for being cheeky!!!!

 

Of course, by now I've found out but all that bloke had to say was that (in simple terms) algebra was only letter or symbol substitutions in a formula that held true for all calculations in a particular application which enables you to work out unknowns using some known figures.

 

That bloke was a nasty swine who'd throw chalk and even the board rubber if he was too far away from you to clout you! I can see him now..... Black hair, Black moustache, pinched face and he wasn't tall...... Thank goodness he left after the first year. He was replaced by a maths nutcase....... still, I learned "quick calculations" from him which I still use.

 

Now, getting back to the topic, it seems that no-one seems to know anything concrete about this "Maths Mastery" lark. Is it some new way of determining that 2 + 2 = 4 or have they invented some magic formula to prove that 2 + 2 = 5?



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Does anyone realise how many Chinese children are just cast aside to get these results ?

 

As they go forward, it is only the 'Able' who are left in the classes

 

 

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This is the explanation of Maths Mastery I was given by my son-in-law who is head of maths at a secondary school.

 

The standard maths curriculum both in primary and secondary school is very wide and taught in many ways, by rote, demonstration and explanation etc. - it continues on a time scale so that subjects within the curriculum have to be completed according to a fixed timetable irrespective of the progress of any individual pupil. 

 

Maths Mastery has a narrower curriculum and teaching is based on explanation with the aim of ensuring the pupils understand, for instance, why 12 x 9 = 108 and why the numbers 1, 2, 8, 9 and 0 are in their positions they are and what those positions mean.  By taking longer over each bit  then mastering these simple principles allows pupils to progress to the next stage. 

 

The curriculum for the class is flexible and doesn't progress for the pupils until that mastery has been attained by all.  Pupils aren't labelled as being of high or low ability nor is the class selected on a basis of 'ability'. Pupils aren't taught differently or given different 'problems' according to a label but taught on the belief that everyone can succeed.

 

It sounds to me like a system that I'd need to see in action to make any judgement about it.

 

 

 

The aim is to create a life tool for the students rather than just the ability to pass an exam.

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I wondered how long it would be before somebody mentioned, that two of the countries ( China & India ) that are being used for comparison, have between them; not far off, a half of the worlds population. For all the success stories, there are MILLIONS that don't get to that level. India still has a caste system.........when the society drags itself into the 21st century, then perhaps we can start talking about mathematics for the top 1%.

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It's not right to lump China in with India when it comes to education - China has a compulsory primary and secondary school system and over the last 30 years attendance has risen from around 25% to 96% of all children. 

 

They have invested and continue to invest billions in their education system.  Their universities and colleges are internationally recognised.

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The reality is that we are far below many countries when it comes to maths, technology and languages. This goes right back to the '70's when comprehensive education was floundering in the mire of "call me Dave" teachers who had no experience of how to control and discipline classes. It's not much better today. Too many kids doing what they like rather than what they need to do to ensure they are employable. The reason many private and public schools do so well is because the kids know the value of their education...their parents pay their fees! These schools don't allow the kids to run riot when they see fit.

 

Fact is there are skills shortages in maths and science based industries and we can't get our kids up to the standards required. It's been going on for decades! It's about time that we focussed on raising the standard of early maths education. One element of most trade deals done in the EU with non EU countries allow for employees outside of the EU to work on 6 month/1 year visas to bridge the skills shortages...which is technology in the UK. Indian businesses can bring in their own IT workers on visas to work within Indisn owned companies for example.

 

Whilst it's true that China and India have large numbers of illiterate people outside of the cities, both have made huge inroads in technology and maths training. Both have made IT into a booming industry along with other Asian countries. We need to keep up with them. Our basic free education system needs to restructure so that we go forward in this age of technology. We need more doctors, scientists, physicists, IT professionals and chemists. We can't keep importing people with the skills the country needs...we must not rely on others!  

 

I think that we need to take a retrograde step to reintroduce stricter discipline...I don't mean beating children but ensuring that they adhere to school rules such as parents not preventing detention classes, uniform policy and proper punishment (extra classes, more homework etc) rather than the current reward of exclusion. If you are going to exclude children then they need to attend schools that are even stricter! We can't carry on having children wandering out of school after classes, smoking and drinking as the walk down the road. I'm afraid I'm also a bit old school when it comes to co-ed too...it's fine in 6th form onwards but I'd rather see separate schools for boys and girls...and more youth clubs to encourage socialising. School is a place of learning...not a place to live out soap operas. 

 

Lastly, parents who were brought up under the current system should encourage their children to do better. We will never have an equal society if kids don't believe that they can aspire to more than their parents' achievements! Often it's not the rich suppressing the poor but the poor having no belief in themselves! They can be their own worse enemy! 

 

As for teachers... We need the best. If we have to bring teachers in to bridge the gap in maths skills then let's do it...and start the interest in sciences a lot earlier than at present. Young children soak up information like a sponge...forget the Play Stations, X boxes and mobiles etc...let them use their brains...their creativity and their ability to learn...maths CAN be fun....

 


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Not that I'm a gamer personally, but I'm surprised some forward thinking game creator; hasn't devised a game that is Maths based and made it fun to boot.  Like.......solve this equation etc. etc. to progress to the next level and so on. Something showing the practicality of maths in real life and how important it can be to progress.

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