08-04-2013 1:03 PM
13-04-2013 5:48 PM
I am sure there have been cases of demarcation which are usually trotted out to demonstrate 'ancient' restrictive working practices,which were part of that era's downfall according to some;
As a trainee engineer in 1976, I remember changing a toilet roll when on secondment to our Sheffield factory and being seriously worried that someone might find out and accuse me of doing somebody else's job. My predecessor had almost caused a strike by helping to sweep up some rubbish. The union's grip was total, and the atmosphere was poisonous.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6729683.stm
13-04-2013 5:53 PM
Ive read 1979 creeky .and would vote for them 🙂
here is an extract that you should follow to see where Im coming from on sticking to policies
Rhodesia
The Conservative Party will aim to achieve a lasting settlement to the Rhodesia problem based on the democratic wishes of the people of that country. If the Six Principles, which all British governments have supported for the last fifteen years, are fully satisfied following the present Rhodesian Election, the next government will have the duty to return Rhodesia to a state of legality, move to lift sanctions, and do its utmost to ensure that the new independent state gains international recognition.
off to read next one and thank you for links
13-04-2013 5:57 PM
As a trainee engineer in 1976, I remember changing a toilet roll when on secondment to our Sheffield factory and being seriously worried that someone might find out and accuse me of doing somebody else's job. My predecessor had almost caused a strike by helping to sweep up some rubbish. The union's grip was total, and the atmosphere was poisonous
I can tell you that certain firms currently insist their operatives extract the maximum cash from any call out they attend. They are reviewed each month and compared.They face the axe if they fall behind...by maximum, read the need for several visits by different operatives
and 'inventing' faults and problems.
They are checked for outside work and face dismissal even if the work was generated outside their business. One set are noted as 'close down charlies' because of their approach to getting maximum cash by a exploiting some aspects of their area of work.
Is that any different or toxic?
13-04-2013 5:58 PM
I agree to that statement to pixel..they indeed should pay their own..but as both these institutions take their share of tax money first..its same as us paying it anyway..so why take more? ,thats my angle .
On monarchy...they actually own all the land so theoretically they are allowed to do whatever they want,and people want state funerals for them ..whereas thatcher..who asked for this type of funeral ?
13-04-2013 6:16 PM
I posed this on another thread however, it would be interesting to know exactly how the sum of 10 million was arrived at.
How much was new spend, how much would have been spent anyway and how much was only a paper transaction between government departments?
13-04-2013 6:44 PM
to papko..I saw you say once'' I put my sales at 99p to avoid fees but if sell to low I do not go through with the sale'' You seemed quite proud of your tactics too. Yes you would be sad as everyone is here for your gain attitude will ring bells in the Thatcher camp 🙂
I remember like yesterday the poll tax riots.
Ah well must have managed that quite well in the last 15000 transactions ?
Dont actually recall making a statement like that , but lets not get evidence and truth in the way of a good conspriracy theory
There are plenty of people I know personally , who have had their development in life restricted and indeed stunted by Thatchers policies .
they nurse a whisky bottle most of the time , and everyone is too blame , save them
I call them wastes of a a pair of legs
13-04-2013 7:02 PM
Interesting live news stream from Trafalgar square
13-04-2013 7:27 PM
Ive read 1979 creeky .and would vote for them 🙂
here is an extract that you should follow to see where Im coming from on sticking to policies
Rhodesia
The Conservative Party will aim to achieve a lasting settlement to the Rhodesia problem based on the democratic wishes of the people of that country. If the Six Principles, which all British governments have supported for the last fifteen years, are fully satisfied following the present Rhodesian Election, the next government will have the duty to return Rhodesia to a state of legality, move to lift sanctions, and do its utmost to ensure that the new independent state gains international recognition.
off to read next one and thank you for links
I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make.
As far as I am aware that committment was carried out.
14-04-2013 12:14 AM
Apart from lying out in State, it will be one.
Military Guard of Honour, Military Bands , streets lined by Service personnel, Gun carriage, Flag draped coffin, Procession to St Pauls , with representatives of not only Our State, but from all over the World.
Nice to see our MPs all picked up £3000 each to turn up at Parliament yesterday
As someone commented in the Guardian:
"Thatcher's funeral is, in all but name, a state funeral. 'In all but name' is significant. It is not called a 'state funeral' because parliament has not been called on to vote for it.
Why? Because such a vote would have been lost.
Parliament would never have voted to give the most divisive prime minister of the 20th century a state funeral.
Since it is not a state funeral military honours are a constitutional outrage. Thatcher was not royal.
Military honours are a royal privilege apart from in the specific case of state funerals
. Buckingham Palace has, quite rightly, complained about this.
The whole charade is a party political circus and as such it is absolutely right and proper that people should protest loudly. Thatcher was and is thoroughly hated by millions of British citizens. That fact should be registered clearly on Wednesday"
14-04-2013 12:32 AM
Maggie is the most controversial PM ever, I was made redundant under her leadership, however, she was totally correct, the nation was basically held to ransom by trade unions and she had the strength and belief to take them on.
Inflation rates were at around 18% when she came to office, strikes were a daily event, we were the sick man of europe by a country mile, inefficient and a laughing stock.
She encouraged enterprise and small business, which is the route i chose and really happy with the outcome, under her leadership those who wanted to succeed did, the idle complaining suffered, we need a new Maggie now!!
I will remember her for her courage and vision.
RIP Baroness Thatcher
14-04-2013 9:39 AM
In no way shape or form should the money for this funeral be paid for from the public purse...
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2308659/Extra-police-called-monitor-anti-Thatcher-celebratio...
14-04-2013 11:26 AM
Of course there is bound to be a lot of people there even many that weren't even born at the time.
They are happy to blame MT for everything that has happened over the past 50 years, she is a convenient scapegoat, made so by years of propaganda.
14-04-2013 11:51 AM
The whole charade is a party political circus and as such it is absolutely right and proper that people should protest loudly. Thatcher was and is thoroughly hated by millions of British citizens. That fact should be registered clearly on Wednesday"
Yes, the extreme-left nutters will be out in force, instead of job hunting.:-(
I've heard that the unions want a bank holiday on wednesday, with full pay for all their members :^O And any union member that has to work will get a day off in lieu, plus treble time. :^O
"Oh I'm a union man I screw the country for all I can!
14-04-2013 12:00 PM
I wonder if the milk business would ever have been be remembered if 'Thatcher' hadn't rhymed with 'snatcher'?
After all 'Harold Wilson milk snatcher' wasn't very catchy and no one remembers that.
14-04-2013 12:05 PM
14-04-2013 12:10 PM
Yes, the extreme-left nutters will be out in force, instead of job hunting.:-(
I've heard that the unions want a bank holiday on wednesday, with full pay for all their members :^O And any union member that has to work will get a day off in lieu, plus treble time. :^O
"Oh I'm a union man I screw the country for all I can!
Now that is something I would protest about!
14-04-2013 1:10 PM
Least the vast majority of comments on the daily mail article did not approve of the protest and rightly so, what must the rest of the world think.
Just cant understand the mentality of some people, Least they are very much a minority.
14-04-2013 1:42 PM
''A ComRes survey found that only 25% of people think the event should be funded form the public purse and that 60% are against the idea.
But Tory Cabinet Office minister Francis Maude, who is one of the organisers of Wednesday's ceremonial service, insisted it had to be a "fitting event for a very great lady".
so minority wins of course as 'it's a must.. upsetting 60% of the country' 🙂
Creeky my point was about arms dealing and Africa during Thatchers reign ,the manifesto says diplomatic way. Will read next manifesto now but however it's wrote by now I would not be voting them.Have you read or found the book 'to be or not to be' yet..you should have a read,most deff not fiction but very scary the real agenda of world leaders.
Conspiracy theory papko ? nah, just fact of your q+a post to show people there is nothing wrong with tactics that put the ball in your court. As business is business.Many see the world in terms of what's in it for me.Of course on another thread on q+a you were telling someone off for doing it with the ayrabs and you may recall my ''all above the skylark '' quote in answer to you all.A two headed ship that swings from side to side as it carries on its merry way 🙂
Bottom line is as a country we should not pay for a funeral of someone who's wealth came from tax pot to be attended by people paid from tax pot...anyone thinks its all ok ,must also be rolling round in the ''hey it's free'' tax pot.
14-04-2013 1:46 PM
ps ''all aboard '' not above, although above, below ,hanging on side would do on the skylark 😉
14-04-2013 1:55 PM
As a trainee engineer in 1976, I remember changing a toilet roll when on secondment to our Sheffield factory and being seriously worried that someone might find out and accuse me of doing somebody else's job. My predecessor had almost caused a strike by helping to sweep up some rubbish. The union's grip was total, and the atmosphere was poisonous
I can tell you that certain firms currently insist their operatives extract the maximum cash from any call out they attend. They are reviewed each month and compared.They face the axe if they fall behind...by maximum, read the need for several visits by different operatives
and 'inventing' faults and problems.
They are checked for outside work and face dismissal even if the work was generated outside their business. One set are noted as 'close down charlies' because of their approach to getting maximum cash by a exploiting some aspects of their area of work.
Is that any different or toxic?
Salford - are you able to quantify that statement with anything - a link perhaps? It's just that we run our own business and have friends who own their own (different) businesses, and none of us have not come across this maxim. (I know you don't like people giving examples of their own lives for things like this, but it is sometimes useful as a point of reference, and also to know that not everyone operates in the same unscrupulous way).
Maybe it is just a difference in areas, where you live, or perhaps the type of business you are in. I know it happens sometimes when firms are tendered by an organisation such as the NHS, for example - they all put in a high bid, and the the NHS chooses the lowest, but they still end up paying more than a private client would.