Would Brexit YES voters vote differently now???

[iconic-football-gaa-rugby-american-sports-shirts]

Pound Stirling clearly in trouble and most definately effect ebay sales across the board.

[fallen-archie]

Surely Farage is even shorter than Napoleon, 🙂

[rightgrand]

I reckon that the history books will be a lot kinder to Farage than those who try to portray him as some kind of clown.  If the Brexit gamble works out well, of course.

I use the word "gamble" deliberately.  It is, but staying in the EU would have been a huge gamble too - a fact that many overlook.

The truth is that nobody can or does know how it's going to go, or how it would have been if we stayed a part of the German reich, I mean EU.

The EU is clearly an ever-evolving beast - just look at how much it's changed over the last 40 years, then project that rate of change into the future.  It seems pretty obvious to me that the big plan was for the EU to become a unified country - not by invasion or persuasion but by stealth - by gradually creeping into the laws and control of all its member states until a point is reached where the national governments of those countries become redundant.

So staying as we were was never an option - it's further integration or run away to the hills, screaming.  There wasn't a "neither of the above" risk-free option, but I certainly prefer the gamble of going it alone to the gamble of staying quiet and waiting to see what the heck we were getting into.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I agree with you in respect of the EU becoming a federal state in the same way that the US is.

Where I disagree with you is that being a member of a United Stars of Europe would be bad for this country.  If/when Europe does become a federal state the U.K., (what will be left of it), will be in a very weak position.  Politically, economically and militarily.

[rightgrand]

I actually wouldn't mind becoming part of the USEurope IF it was being pursued honestly and democratically.  But what we've had feels underhand and dishonest - like they're trying to sneak it past us gradually, so gradually that we don't notice - "boiling frogs" is the phrase that sums it up.  Plus the money they squander is nuts.

Who knows - bigger isn't always better.  Some small countries are extremely successful.  There's no reason why we can't be too.  Just as long as we remember we're a minnow and learn to forget about any old empire ambitions and mind our own business when it comes to spending £billions on foreign wars and strutting about on the world militrary stage.  I'd rather be a bigger version of Norway - they quietly keep themelves to themselves, have wads of cash in the bank and have a superb quality of life.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I think a deal based on the Norway model is the best we can hope for from the Brexit negotiations - it wouldn't go down well with most Brexiteers though 😞

[upthecreekyetagain]

The Norway model:-

[celticthebhoys585]

The Scots would be happy with that and we'll keep our oil, fish,water and electric etc too !

England is quite welcome to buy at a price! Free trade and all that eh!

[joe_bloggs*]

Be nice to see Gibraltar retuned to the Spanish,save us a few bob and anyway it's full of Tory tax dodgers,and if we can figure a way of getting the EU to hand the Falklands over to Argentina that would be a bonus as well

[upthecreekyetagain]

Unify Ireland, let Scotland have independence and the population of the UK would be cut at a stroke.

[fallen-archie]

You missed the people's democratic republic of Bradford off your list👀

[upthecreekyetagain]

[j_uk643]

I think some may have changed their mind, but others will be staunchly committed to their beliefs regardless.The country was never going to fall into some immediate abyss

But it's very likely long term, the UK will perform less well outside, than inside the EU. The notion over sovereignty is a token one at best
What it has shown, if it were needed, is there is a sharp division between certain distinct parts of the country which isn't served by Westminster

Farage has a cultivated bar room patter, which if you suspend all critical faculties can wash over a willing audience, leaving some with a sense of bonhomie, much like when a pickpocket apologies profusely for bumping into you whilst at the same time carefully lifting your wallet
It's his only 'asset' which he doubtless honed in numerous bars, and previous employment.He has the shameless approach of using it to deliberately misrepresent complex issues, in over simplified modulated rhetoric 

I'm sure when certain sections of the population in Preston get the hang of making a x , they too might vote for independence eventually

[rightgrand]

Perhaps Norway was a bad example.  I don't mean we should be like them in terms of how they relate to the EU specifically, but just in general.  A nice happy country that has almost no presence on the world stage.  I wish we could get over our old empire days and just accept that we're a little island, just have a decent honest life and stop telling the rest of the world what to do.

My bet is that the Irish border will, in effect, be moved to Liverpool and Wales - as there's so much pressure against having a hard border between the two halves of Ireland.  As Nothern Ireland could potentially have anyone from Europe there, security would be needed for those coming from Northern Ireland to the mainland.  So Ireland will be pretty much unified by Brexit anyway.  If so, it would only be a matter of time before full unification.

[javikha_4]

Reminds me of one brexiteer, who when asked why he was voting for Carswell as ukip MP,  said 'because the last conservative one was useless'.

[astrologica]

Hmmmmmm.......Carswell......there's an old saying..'Never trust a turncoat'.

[mikes*corvettes]

Wonder if they are going to ask Poland and Hungary for £50bn if both countries tell Brussels where to go.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/04/eu-hungary-poland-take-migrants-leave/

This is what I hope comes to frution.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/15/le-pen-will-work-poland-hungary-dismantle-eu/

[rightgrand]

Yes, it looks like we can do nothing for a couple of years while the whole thing falls apart.

I reckon in a couple of years the EU President will end up hiding in a bunker in Brussels somewhere while democracy invades and sweeps away his army.

Actually it looks more like the UK plan is a bit like I was with school homework - leave it until the night before the deadline then do an all-nighter.  Seriously, 6 days in and they're still talking about the negotiations as though they're something in the future.  Only 724 of 730 days remaining...

[upthecreekyetagain]

I would take what you read on Breitbart with somewhat more than a large handful of salt!

[mikes*corvettes]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-le-pen-euro-idUKKBN16X0FO

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/785706/marine-le-pen-french-election-macron-european-union-frexi...

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/17/marine-le-pen-could-blow-up-european-union-fear-in-bond-market.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/02/euro-is-a-knife-in-the-ribs-of-the-french-says-le-pen.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-fn-eu-idUSKBN1761QB

[rightgrand]

Frexit would make things interesting.  It would certainly destroy the EU as it is, so perhaps it could be completely reinvented from the ground-up and re-emerge as something more modern, democratic and credible for the future.

So we could leave the EU then (after another referendum) join the new EU-lite trading club along with any other former EU members that want to join up.  But we'd need to do have lots of safeguards against it turning back into the old EU - I'm sure many career politicians from Brussels would be applying for all the jobs in any new organisation.

It could be difficult though - just as we are looking outward to trade with the world outside of the EU, LePen seems to be more about protectionism and keeping the big bad world out of France.