Would Brexit YES voters vote differently now???

[iconic-football-gaa-rugby-american-sports-shirts]

Pound Stirling clearly in trouble and most definately effect ebay sales across the board.

[mikes*corvettes]

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@celticthebhoys585 wrote:

Oh and now the mess starts eh!

N0 1-  "Lloyds of Brussels" lmao

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Lloyd's is moving it's new EU subsidiary, not it's entire operations. That would be expected servicing the EU market, it would be located in Brussels.

Same for Citi or HSBC, however neither has provided definite information as to location and are still considering options. It would also be operations geared towards servicing the EU market, however, not the entire footprint.

If somehow letting the EU strong arm any nation by having firms be tied to specific location makes sense - that's a very untenable business position for any country to be in.

[joe_bloggs*]

Not to worry,Theresa's on the case

[mikes*corvettes]

Old Junckers lost the plot:

"EUROPEAN Union boss Jean-Claude Juncker this afternoon issued a jaw-dropping threat to the United States, saying he could campaign to break up the country in revenge for Donald Trump’s supportive comments about Brexit. "

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785813/European-Union-EU-boss-threatens-break-up-US-retaliati...

[upthecreekyetagain]

Many in Texas have recently called for Texit, Texas' secession from the USA.

The subject was on the agenda of last year's Republican Convention - a petition for independence in 2015 had enough signatories to require a response from Washington regarding a referendum, (unsurprisingly the answer was 'no').

Many of the arguments used by those in favour of Texit are exactly the same as those used for Brexit.

[rightgrand]

From the EU's opening letter, it sounds like we're going to have to play hard-ball to get anywhere with them.  They want us to hand over £50bn for some undefined reason - presumably our punishment for disobeying to put others off, provide lifetime healthcare for the 3m EU citizens in the UK (while they provide usually less comprehensive healthcare for the 1m UK citizens in the EU).  After we've said yes to all this, and possibly after we've left, then they'll start talking about trade.

I really hope the UK negotiators have the guts to just say no and just leave, and trade with the EU just like many other countries do with them.  There's no urgent need for a trade deal - it would be the icing on the cake but it's far from necessary, so there's no need to bow down to their ridiculous demands.  I bet they'd change their tune once all their exporters to the UK are faced with UK import duty.

This kind of power-crazed bullying just makes me more sure that we're doing the right thing in breaking out.

[cee-dee]

I suppose it's too simplistic to look at Brexit this way?:-

You join a club, you have to be accepted and pay a joining fee. Then, during your membership, you pay your dues and accept the benefits of membership. You decide to leave so stop paying your dues and any benefits of membership end. That's the end of it.

If you want to continue enjoying just some benefits of membership, that's a different story with a different structure of paying any dues. You don't have to consider how much it's gonna cost you to leave before you do, you just stop paying the dues you used to pay and after that, negotiate costs of any benefit from the club or it's members?

[rightgrand]

What they're saying is that we must agree on the divorce terms first - one of which is that we must pay £50bn.  After we've handed over the cash as they demand, only then will they begin to talk about a trade deal, including any benefits we might get from our relationship.  The massive lump of cash is not related to any ongoing relationship in any way, and we get no promises and nothing at all back for it - it's purely a leaving fee.  In fact, if we want any single-market-like deal they'll probably demand an annual membership fee on top.  It's just pay now, talk later.

I suspect that the real reason they want £50bn off us is because they know that they're going to have a big black hole in their budget after we stop paying £13bn a year.  It will keep them going for a few more years without us.  But, as far as I can see, there's no logical reason for us to pay anything.

If we were a net beneficiary of the EU instead of a contributor, do you think they'd be as keen to pay us the equivalent of a few years' contributions?  No way, in fact they'd have probably cancelled the standing order on Wednesday.

£50bn works out as £1200 per working age adult in the UK.  Perhaps the UK government should tell the EU to bill everyone in the UK for their leaving fee, see how many write the cheque they think they deserve.  I know I wouldn't.

[mikes*corvettes]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Many in Texas have recently called for Texit, Texas' secession from the USA.

The subject was on the agenda of last year's Republican Convention - a petition for independence in 2015 had enough signatories to require a response from Washington regarding a referendum, (unsurprisingly the answer was 'no').

Many of the arguments used by those in favour of Texit are exactly the same as those used for Brexit.

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And your point is ?

Outside of Brussels and the EU do you honestly think anyone gives a flying fig what a Napoleon complex suffering old drunk like Junkers thinks or campaigns about.

This is exactly why most of us voted to leave, when you have unelected, power crazy egotists in charge it's a recipe for disaster.

All that statement has done is show how the brain of a eurocrat works, noway will they admit that the reason Brexit happened is because people are sick and tired of all their nonsense rather they try and deflect the issue and blame everyone else.

Roll on May (the month, not our PM) and the elections in France.

[fallen-archie]

Firstly if they do not play hard ball with us how will they stop others leaving the club? It's all well and good talking about the consequences now, this debate should have taken place during the campaign, and for those who say it did then you reep what you sow. However mine own feeling is that we do not have to cough up first for anything, what the Eurocrats need to understand is that it is not HM government who are seeking to leave it is the people of the United Kingdom and they should not alienate the will of the people because to do So makes them dictators rather than democrats, Junkers and his mates have consistently undermined the interests of the UK and shown no interest in appeasement or reform, time to end the junketing and move on!

[rightgrand]

If they're worried that they might make others want to leave then they need to take a good look at why this may be.  Surely if being a member of the EU was such a wonderful deal then there wouldn't be so many wondering about leaving.

I'd really hoped that the Brexit vote might have been the shock they needed to change, stop dictating like prison camp guards and start listening, become much more democratic, take a step back from becoming a European government and go back to being more like the trading club that it was originally supposed to be.  I reckon that if this had happened then many, including me, might want to change our minds.

Instead, they've made lots of pronouncements about further integration and closer unity.  In other words making it more difficult for others to leave - putting up more barbed wire, not actually making them want to stay.

I just hope our negotiators are prepared to stand up to their bad attitude.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Many in Texas have recently called for Texit, Texas' secession from the USA.

The subject was on the agenda of last year's Republican Convention - a petition for independence in 2015 had enough signatories to require a response from Washington regarding a referendum, (unsurprisingly the answer was 'no').

Many of the arguments used by those in favour of Texit are exactly the same as those used for Brexit.

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And your point is ?

Outside of Brussels and the EU do you honestly think anyone gives a flying fig what a Napoleon complex suffering old drunk like Junkers thinks or campaigns about.

This is exactly why most of us voted to leave, when you have unelected, power crazy egotists in charge it's a recipe for disaster.

All that statement has done is show how the brain of a eurocrat works, noway will they admit that the reason Brexit happened is because people are sick and tired of all their nonsense rather they try and deflect the issue and blame everyone else.

Roll on May (the month, not our PM) and the elections in France.

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For Junkers substitute Farage 🙂

Junkers was the World's longest serving democratically elected leader when he left office.

He has far more gravitas than Farage spouting off in the US

[rightgrand]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Junkers was the World's longest serving democratically elected leader when he left office.

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...to become an undemocratically imposed dictator.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@cee-dee wrote:

I suppose it's too simplistic to look at Brexit this way?:-

You join a club, you have to be accepted and pay a joining fee. Then, during your membership, you pay your dues and accept the benefits of membership. You decide to leave so stop paying your dues and any benefits of membership end. That's the end of it.

If you want to continue enjoying just some benefits of membership, that's a different story with a different structure of paying any dues. You don't have to consider how much it's gonna cost you to leave before you do, you just stop paying the dues you used to pay and after that, negotiate costs of any benefit from the club or it's members?

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If you were a member of a golf club and during your membership you agreed to contributing £x a year for 5 years to build a new course you couldn't just end your membership early and stop paying the amount you contracted to pay for the new course.

The amount 'due' will all be part of the negotiations, the EU have opened with £50 billion, David Davis with zero - no doubt the final amount will be somewhere in between.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@rightgrand wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Junkers was the World's longest serving democratically elected leader when he left office.

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...to become an undemocratically imposed dictator.

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What can he dictate?

Serious question.  There is a lot of emotive language used but not much of it is justified.

[fallen-archie]

I guess the problem lies in our inability to get reforms within the EU.coupled with their inability to promote themselves in an open and transparent way. My concern remains this fixation we have with growth. In the village next to mine aproval was given last week for 600 new homes this on top of a similar number already underway, 70 million people on our small island and growing courtesy of immigration? Where and when will it end?

[mikes*corvettes]

So days after the Brexit vote when he went on tv claiming he was using a “Presidential Order” to stop his officials starting to negotiate Britain's exit.

Knowing full well that he didn't have the power to issue such a "Presidential Order" are the actions of (1).. a sane man or (2).. a wannabe despot.

My money is on number 2.

Now going back to Mr Farage at least he had the decency when asked if he could vote..would he vote for Mr Trump to say:

"That no outside politician has the right to interfere in another countries election."

And that's coming from an elected politician not from some clown put in place by the old boys network.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@fallen-archie wrote:
I guess the problem lies in our inability to get reforms within the EU.coupled with their inability to promote themselves in an open and transparent way. My concern remains this fixation we have with growth. In the village next to mine aproval was given last week for 600 new homes this on top of a similar number already underway, 70 million people on our small island and growing courtesy of immigration? Where and when will it end?

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Our closest town is Horley in Surrey - over 2,500 new homes built in the last 5 years and a further 1,500 nearing completion.  All those have hardly taken up the space of a couple of large fields - when looked at from Google Earth the amount of 'green' space used is miniscule.

Space is not the problem, (even here in the South East), it's the lack of infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals, shops etc. that are required to support those residents that is the biggest problem.  We need to grow our infrastructure BEFORE we allow our population to grow much more.  

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

So days after the Brexit vote when he went on tv claiming he was using a “Presidential Order” to stop his officials starting to negotiate Britain's exit.

Knowing full well that he didn't have the power to issue such a "Presidential Order" are the actions of (1).. a sane man or (2).. a wannabe despot.

My money is on number 2.

Now going back to Mr Farage at least he had the decency when asked if he could vote..would he vote for Mr Trump to say:

"That no outside politician has the right to interfere in another countries election."

And that's coming from an elected politician not from some clown put in place by the old boys network.

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That doesn't answer the question though - you called Junkers a dictator - I asked what could he dictate - he has very little real power as you have just pointed out.

As for Farage - have you listened to any of his 'spots' on Fox News?  

[mikes*corvettes]

Actually I called him  " a Napoleon complex suffering old drunk ".

But once again you twist others words to suit your agenda.

[upthecreekyetagain]

My apologies - it was 'rightgrand' who said that and was the poster to which my post you replied to was aimed at.

'A Napoleon complex suffering old drunk' is a far more apt description of Farage 🙂