The re-emergence of absolute poverty in Britain

Something terrible is slowly happening across the face of Britain.   We are seeing the return of absolute levels of poverty which have not existed on this scale since the Victorial age over a century ago.   Relative poverty is when people can’t afford the comforts and enjoyments which most people have, but absolute poverty is when people haven’t the money to pay for even their most basic needs.

 

The evidence is all around us.   There are now over 300 food-banks in Britain, and the number is rising every week.  

The Red Cross is setting up centres to help the destitute, just as they do in developing countries.   A new study published this week shows that even in prosperous area of the country like London, more than a quarter of the population are now living in poverty.   And a new scary fact is steadily emerging: an increasing number of these poverty households are not dependent on benefits, but where someone is at work.

 

In the north the first of the Northern Housing Consortium’s surveys just published presents a devastating picture.   It is based on 74 househoolds, a small sample but one which broadly reflects all households living in the social rented sector.   It reveals that two-thirds, after paying for rent and food and other essential bills, end up each week with less than £10 left, whilst more than a third end up with nothing at all.   A quarter can only afford £20 or less on food per week – how many of the rest of us could survive on that?  

 

http://www.michaelmeacher.info/weblog/2013/10/the-re-emergence-of-absolute-poverty-in-britain/

 

 





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No it doesn't, it simply shows that one particular family get enough.

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A lot of people are jumping on the bandwagon..when free food is given away..most dont need it..

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People are referred to foodbanks by the DWP,social services,the police have also spoken out about the rise in shoplifting just for food ! the police are increasingly reffering hungry people to foodbanks

Please explain to everyone how these people are " jumping on the bandwagon." ?

The UK is one of the worlds richest countries,and personally i think it is a disgrace that people have to rely on foodbanks just to eat

 

Spain is also seeing a rise in foodbanks:

 

http://www.eitb.com/en/news/life/detail/1346930/spain-crisis--spanish-unemployed-turn-food-banks/

 

"The economic crisis is hitting Spain hard , with more than 27 percent of people out of work. For some it means no longer being able to find food to put on their plates"

 





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So let's just ignore the genuinely needy in case a few chancers get away with a few days worth of cheap food, then.

 

The food banks are also helping folk on low incomes learn how to eat well for less.

 

http://www.trusselltrust.org/foodbank-projects

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It's not getting any better:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/23/heinz-beans-thieves-lorry-uk

 

"Police are appealing for information, especially about anyone trying to sell large quantities of Heinz baked beans in suspicious circumstances,"

 

I,ll let them know if i get wind of it





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@Anonymous wrote:

Welcome to camorons britain. somebody voted them in, thank god i did not.

 

 


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Wow ! !

 

 

And all this happened since Cameron was made Prime Minister.

 

I give thanks that I too, never voted them in. 

 

Phew ! !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sorry joe, my post above was replying to tommy...Smiley Frustrated

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People are referred to foodbanks by the DWP,social services,the police have also spoken out about the rise in shoplifting just for food ! the police are increasingly reffering hungry people to foodbanks

Please explain to everyone how these people are " jumping on the bandwagon." ?

The UK is one of the worlds richest countries,and personally i think it is a disgrace that people have to rely on foodbanks just to eat

 

Spain is also seeing a rise in foodbanks:

 

http://www.eitb.com/en/news/life/detail/1346930/spain-crisis--spanish-unemployed-turn-food-banks/

 

"The economic crisis is hitting Spain hard , with more than 27 percent of people out of work. For some it means no longer being able to find food to put on their plates"

 


There's a simple answer to that, ensure that a fixed part of all benefits are paid in 'food stamps'.

 

Of course as soon as this is suggested there are complaints that this would be removing freedom of choice and also be demeaning to the recipients.  Invalid arguments IMO

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Food stamps are both demeaning and stigmatising.

 

They do indeed take away a lot of choice, give poor value as they can be used only in certain shops preventing people from buying in markets etc where they might get some food cheaper and no change can be given so the entire amount of any stamp has to be spent in the one place.

 

Where people are in receipt of benefits, it should be up to them to choose what they spend it on, it is not up to others to dictate that, whether or not they decide to put being warm above that of what they eat that day for example.

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Could somebody clear up a point of order, please.

Mention was made earlier about people shoplifting for food. Could it just be made clear whether or not the shoplifters are stealing food for their own consumption or if they are stealing it to get cash to buy drugs?

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Food stamps are both demeaning and stigmatising.

 

They do indeed take away a lot of choice, give poor value as they can be used only in certain shops preventing people from buying in markets etc where they might get some food cheaper and no change can be given so the entire amount of any stamp has to be spent in the one place.

 

Where people are in receipt of benefits, it should be up to them to choose what they spend it on, it is not up to others to dictate that, whether or not they decide to put being warm above that of what they eat that day for example.


Needn't be one or the other of those choices either - provide an energy stamp as well.

 

Housing benefit used to be paid direct to landlords, was that demeaning and/or stigmatising or did it ensure that rent arrears were kept to the minimum so that benefit recipients weren't made homeless?

 

The statement was made by Joe, "The UK is one of the worlds richest countries,and personally i think it is a disgrace that people have to rely on foodbanks just to eat" - food stamps would make sure that wasn't the case.

 

If you don't like the idea of the basic needs for survival. heating, clothing, housing, food being provided by the state to those in need then you can't complain if the recipients of benefits don't choose to spend those benefits on providing for the basics before spending it in other ways.

 

I'm NOT suggesting the state should ONLY provide those basic items but they should come first then any additional benefits the country can afford can be paid in cash.

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

 

 

Housing benefit used to be paid direct to landlords, was that demeaning and/or stigmatising or did it ensure that rent arrears were kept to the minimum so that benefit recipients weren't made homeless?

 


Housing Benefit is still paid direct to the landlord if the tenent wants it done..

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@tommy.irene wrote:

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

 

 

Housing benefit used to be paid direct to landlords, was that demeaning and/or stigmatising or did it ensure that rent arrears were kept to the minimum so that benefit recipients weren't made homeless?

 


Housing Benefit is still paid direct to the landlord if the tenent wants it done..


Choice - in the same way that benefit recipients have the choice to spend their income on the basics first - or not.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21756567

 

 

"(the government), wants to pay recipients directly as they think it will increase their sense of responsibility over their own lives and make them better able to cope should they move into a job"

 

Rent arrears among tenants on a government pilot project that pays housing benefit directly to recipients have seen a big increase, figures show.

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Could it just be made clear whether or not the shoplifters are stealing food for their own consumption or if they are stealing it to get cash to buy drugs?

 

Anyone shoplifting in order to get money for drugs would be unlikely to steal basic foodstuffs, there are usually other higher priced items which would be easier to sell.

 

I was once in court and heard the prosecuting council actually point out as mitigation the items stolen by the defendant were basic foodstuff for their own consumption.

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Could it just be made clear whether or not the shoplifters are stealing food for their own consumption or if they are stealing it to get cash to buy drugs?

 

Plenty of evidence from google:

 

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/police-refer-starving-shoplifters-to-charity-food-banks-103770n.1...

 

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Food-theft-rise-Hull-families-struggle/story-19307430-detail/story.ht...

 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/25/stealing-to-eat-cases-rise

 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/patrick-butler-cuts-blog/2013/jun/24/food-poverty-growth-in-shopl...

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/personal-finance/austerity-britain-starving-families-stealing-2296520

 

 

"Starving families are being forced to shoplift so they can put food on the table, says one of Britain’s top police officers.

 

He says they’re so desperate that they are stealing basics like meat and cheese.

Lancashire Chief Constable Steve Finnigan said: “With regards shoplifting, we are seeing an increase.

“The offenders are very often first-time offenders and when you talk to them, they are not doing this to sell stuff on.

“The stuff they talk about is food stuff.

“It is very often meat and cheese they are stealing and it is for themselves and their family.”





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Its a disgrace, full stop

we are all in it together,therefore where is the story about cameron at the food bank,feeding his family?

just reading this thread shows the level of contempt some people regard others with ,hence the government's  (yeh right) show plunders forever forwards towards the only goal they know....brainwashimg to control the section of society that has less than them.

 

In this day and age that represents about a quarter population for them to bully,in real terms that means they are worthless and I agree with that .

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we are all in it together,therefore where is the story about cameron at the food bank,feeding his family?

 

Being "in it together" and all doing the same thing are two totally different things!

 

What are you suggesting? - That because some are unemployed we should all stop working? - That because some receive a bus pass we should all have one? - just as much a link with 'being in it together' as your suggestion.

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Being in together means (to me) that every person gets a fair crack of the whip. You get food i get food they get food, not i eat and you starve. Anyone who falls ill receives help, NOT criticised for being ill. Illness can hit anyone at ANY time. camoron reminds me of a person from 1940's Germany who called a certain nation of people and just about wiped them all out, the way camorons harping on about the disabled is no better. Shame on those for voting in such a disgusting goverment who care not for thier people but for them selves and greed.

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Being in together means (to me) that every person gets a fair crack of the whip. You get food i get food they get food, not i eat and you starve. Anyone who falls ill receives help, NOT criticised for being ill. Illness can hit anyone at ANY time. camoron reminds me of a person from 1940's Germany who called a certain nation of people and just about wiped them all out, the way camorons harping on about the disabled is no better. Shame on those for voting in such a disgusting goverment who care not for thier people but for them selves and greed.


So you are in favour of the idea of food stamps Pete which would ensure that everyone gets food or are you suggesting that we should all pay individually for healthcare? 

 

Taking the basics as food, clothing, housing, heating and healthcare and education - it is accepted that it is fine for three of those categories to be provided directly by the state, two universally one for those in need, so why not the other three as well?

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Clocks go back this weekend.

Good job I kept the receipts.

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