29-09-2014 11:09 PM
02-10-2014 8:41 PM
02-10-2014 9:52 PM
@0125arwen wrote:
Ed Miliband’s piece in yesterday’s Independent on Sunday is pretty clear. A Labour government will close the loophole in the EU’s Agency Workers Directive that allows some companies to undercut British workers by employing agency staff on less favourable terms. This is particularly an issue in sectors like food production and hospitality which use a lot of foreign workers, resulting in 300,000 people being paid less than the minimum wage.
The loophole in the Agency Workers Directive is allowing some companies to unfairly undercut the wages paid to permanent staff - it does not allow payment below the minimum wage.
It was back in January that Ed Milliband made the pledge in the Independent on Sunday to close this loophole.
03-10-2014 8:37 AM
@0125arwen wrote:
Ed Miliband’s piece in yesterday’s Independent on Sunday is pretty clear. A Labour government will close the loophole in the EU’s Agency Workers Directive that allows some companies to undercut British workers by employing agency staff on less favourable terms. This is particularly an issue in sectors like food production and hospitality which use a lot of foreign workers, resulting in 300,000 people being paid less than the minimum wage.
Arwen, why are you referring to foreign workers undercutting Brits when the discussion is about the minimum wage?!
You asked why I'd not mentioned the minimum wage and so I addressed it and showed that it applies to all; then you've diverted the discussion to agency staff versus permanent!
You said "if you want more people in work enforce the minimum wage for everyone" and I have shown that the minimum wage is enforced for everyone!
You also said "stop letting foreign workers force british workers out of a jobs" to which I said it doesn't matter which one gets the job it is still one more person in work.
If you want to argue that wages should be equal across the board whether for foreign workers, Brits, agency staff or permanent employees then fine, but your initial claim was this would get more people into work! My suggestion is that it will not, especially if people can hire 3 agency staff for the price of 2 permanent, or 3 foreiners for the price of 2 Brits!
03-10-2014 12:13 PM - edited 03-10-2014 12:13 PM
Getting back to page one the OP.
I do agree, but Labour's record with money is far from responsible.
While in government it decimated company, and private pensions, so now there are very few final salary pensions left, and private pension pots have been greatly reduced, thus having a great impact on both our working, and retired population.
Mortgages, under Labour were allowed to spiral out of control, and some of the wealthier people who saw their pensions hit, put their money into buy-to-let properties, which now results in expensive homes to buy, and sky high rents. Add to this the massive increase in immigration during Labour's rule, and it now adds to the massive housing shortage and problems we have today.
Then there's the selling off of our gold reserves, at a scandalously low price, and so single handedly being responsible for our increased UK debt. It gave Gordon Brown billions to play with..... but where did all that money then go?
It went towards massively expanding public sector numbers, with sky high salaries, and layers of management that weren't there before. Some of the contracts handed out were unbelievably, and ridiculously over the top, and one of the many fallouts, is that we have massive pension commitments for years to come.
So, by all means lambast Osborne, and the Consevatives, but the alternative hardly inspires one with a sense of hope, based on their abysmal past records, so would we be trading inept for even more inept?
Or like for like?
I have no party affiliation, and have voted for who I thought was the best at the time, but truth be told, whoever gets into Office seems to mess up. What I do not do is follow one Party blindly throughout life, believing they have the panacea for all that needs to be put right.
Those people have closed minds, you cannot debate, or reason with them, because, like a religion, it's their way, or fingers in their ears...
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03-10-2014 11:13 PM
"We have to reduce the defecit" Then how come Osborne has promised £7 billion of tax cuts,wheres the money coming from?
has he found down the back of the settee ? or is VAT going to rise again?