Stinson Hunter

[lambsy_uk]

So it was on TV last night; the controversial 'Paedophile Hunters'.

Several very silly and depraved men being caught doing things they really should not; all a predatory threat to children no doubt.

However as I've alluded to in previous posts; cons or ex-cons all love a nonce, because it gives them soomeone even they can look donw on. So we have one bunch of scum deflecting attention onto another bunch of scum!

For me this doesn't suddenly make them better people, in Hunter's case it may give him a focus which helps keep him out of trouble but he's no urban hero, just satisfying his own needs!

[evoman3957]

I can't really comment, because I don't know about this case, but I'm reminded of the old adage "don't look too hard for things, because you might not like what you find".............people being people, the shocks would come thick and fast.

It was Snow White and the EIGHT Dwarfs.................Snow White wasn't SO white and Dopey wasn't SO dopey.

[lambsy_uk]

I agree it does show what could be done were law enforcement agencies to chose to target in such a way, however I'm not sure of the morality, integrity or purposefulness of such actions. If you want to catch drink drivers you don't offer a pint and a nice car and see if they go for it! I'm not sure encouraging lewd behaviour is appropriate.

I know a fair section of the public wouldn't share my opinin but then I've also seen a demonstration of a section of the public who support Hunter's actions; following entrapted idiots down the road while hurling abuse and threatening violence. As I said, these sort love a nonce because it elevates their own self-worth, but they are not the sort of people I'd expect to share many opinions of mine!

[saasher2012]

Is that what they call the Honey Trap, it also applies to undercover policewomen who entrap kerb crawlers, it doesn't seem right or moral, perhaps they ought to device a way of stopping these real criminals by educating both kids & parents in the dangers of online conversations with strangers?.

[evoman3957]

I find it very difficult to comment on Paedophiles, because I not only simply don't understand them; but I also don't want to. They are just "Wired" up wrong, I look at Kids as the Innocents they are; that need protecting and looking after. Life will dilute their Innocence over a period of time, as they grow and mature, and learn the harsh realities of this World. As long as I am their protector; I see My job as preparing them, as best as I can, to cope with life and recognise the pitfalls. I don't look at Children and see anything Sexual about them at all, I hope that means I'm wired up the right way; but as more and more Paedophiles get exposed, I'm beginning to worry that I'll end up in a minority.............somebody, no doubt, needs to look into their Psyche...........a better Man or Woman than me no doubt, because I don't even want to share the same Planet as them.

[lambsy_uk]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
Is that what they call the Honey Trap, it also applies to undercover policewomen who entrap kerb crawlers, it doesn't seem right or moral, perhaps they ought to device a way of stopping these real criminals by educating both kids & parents in the dangers of online conversations with strangers?.

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Yes quite.

I have no sympathy for the perps, except perhaps that they are obviously not wire right.

First they enter adult chat rooms and engage with someone, then they start with explicit language followed by the sending of lewd photos and/or videos/webcam images of them performing sexual acts. Then they arrange a meeting and then they travel long distances, journeys of a couple of hours to get to the rendevous and they finally walk up on knock on a stranger's door in a strange place. Now to do all that there's something wrong with you but that doesn't make those setting up the sting heroes, they are just satisfying their own personal needs!

It doesn't sit comfortably with me no matter how low the perps are!

[lambsy_uk]

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@evoman3957 wrote:

I find it very difficult to comment on Paedophiles, because I not only simply don't understand them; but I also don't want to. They are just "Wired" up wrong, I look at Kids as the Innocents they are; that need protecting and looking after. Life will dilute their Innocence over a period of time, as they grow and mature, and learn the harsh realities of this World. As long as I am their protector; I see My job as preparing them, as best as I can, to cope with life and recognise the pitfalls. I don't look at Children and see anything Sexual about them at all, I hope that means I'm wired up the right way; but as more and more Paedophiles get exposed, I'm beginning to worry that I'll end up in a minority.............somebody, no doubt, needs to look into their Psyche...........a better Man or Woman than me no doubt, because I don't even want to share the same Planet as them.

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What I don't get is what compels them to act. We can be among atractive people all the time, at work, on the beach, in pubs and clubs and all sorts. In some of these situations they may flirt and allure and whatever but they do not go groping their colleagues (other than at BBC) or inappropriately touching people on the beach, in the sauna or wherever. So what urges these people to cross these lines with a child? Is it about believing they can get away with it because it's not an adult?

I could fantasize all day about liaisons with women but it wouldn't lead me to acting in an inappropriate way, so what makes them act on their fantasies? This is what gets me about the men featured in the programme, how come they didn't at any point stop and think "nah this isn't such a good idea"?

With regard to understanding them perhaps it would be useful if we did, to know what makes them tick and how they could perhaps be suppressed.

[saasher2012]

I don't know what drives them, perhaps it's always been that way & it's only now that with all the hype about it , we have become more aware of them or they are less secretive than before,???.

[evoman3957]

Most people fantasize, it My case it was Raquel Welch  ( when I was 14 ) in one million years BC..........I had a thing for older Women  in reality, She would have eaten me up and spat out the pieces. I guess Paedophiles fantasize as well, only their fantasies do not follow normal acceptable parameters. I also think their fantasies are all consuming and in the end they can not separate them from reality. It's similar to people playing computer Games ( especially War games ) day in and day out, until they too lose track of what's real and what isn't and what's possible and what isn't. We are, in most part, the product of our upbringing and the Societies ( and their cultures ) in which we live. Paedophiles, no doubt, wonder why it's OK ( in some other Countries ) for girls to get married at 10 or 12 years old, but it is illegal in this Country to indulge in ANY sexual activity with a Girl or Boy of that age. I can only assume this, as those kind of thoughts don't even register in My make up and also not in the make up of most people we would regard as normal. I don't think these kind of people are sexually repressed, in fact ( if anything ) they are sex addicts; who have no parameters and struggle to find sexual satisfaction in life. Try telling them that there is more to life than Sex....... ie. Love, Companionship, Respect, etc. etc. and they probably wouldn't be able to comprehend that philosophy. They are like a Kid in a Sweet Shop, but never grow out of it............just stuck in it for life..........to me and you and others like us........scary, abhorrent, unsettling and to be ever vigilant of.

[saasher2012]

Or is it to capture a child's innocence that they crave?

[5129frederick]

It's not the innocence they crave, but their own lack of self-confidence which stands out a mile.  They find it impossible to form a physical relationship with anybody their own age, fearing that whatever "relationship" which would possibly develope would surely be doomed to failure with the prospective partner having far more experience than them, therefore they seek a relationship with a person in their early twenties.  Still unable to come to terms with the fact that they may have had a relationship with a man who's better equipped "down there" they go for teenagers and so ad infinitum.  The only people thay feel capable of forming a "relationship" with is somebody of total innocence, both physically and emotionally, somebody they will "look up to".  They are the only people they don't feel threatened by.  But at what age, legally, does underage sex become paedophilia?  

[joe_bloggs*]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventy-paedophile-hunter-says-quit-6068327

Vigilante copycats,what a surprise,pediatricians living in Coventry had better watch out

[lambsy_uk]

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@5129frederick wrote:

It's not the innocence they crave, but their own lack of self-confidence which stands out a mile.  They find it impossible to form a physical relationship with anybody their own age, fearing that whatever "relationship" which would possibly develope would surely be doomed to failure with the prospective partner having far more experience than them, therefore they seek a relationship with a person in their early twenties.  Still unable to come to terms with the fact that they may have had a relationship with a man who's better equipped "down there" they go for teenagers and so ad infinitum.  The only people thay feel capable of forming a "relationship" with is somebody of total innocence, both physically and emotionally, somebody they will "look up to".  They are the only people they don't feel threatened by.  But at what age, legally, does underage sex become paedophilia?  

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To answer your question attraction to pre-pubescent children is paedophilia and so the age is around 13 years.

I'm not convinced by your argument about then finding it impossible to form a physical relationship with anybody their own age; at least one of the men featured was married with children and I don't think he's the exception to the rule!

[saasher2012]

I just wonder what it must be like to find out that the man you married & the children that you had together is a Paedophile, it must put doubt in the mind as to your own children's safety. Or is that a line they don't cross?

[lambsy_uk]

Well obviously some do cross it because we know of cases of children being sexually abused within the family however I'd suggest in most cases that's a line they don't cross.

[rose2008-2008]

I have not watched that programme yet ,,i have to see it on Catch Up!!!!.

[lambsy_uk]

Not sure I'd recommend it Rose, wasn't pleasant veiwing. I only watched about half an hour.

[bankhaunter]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
Is that what they call the Honey Trap, it also applies to undercover policewomen who entrap kerb crawlers, it doesn't seem right or moral, perhaps they ought to device a way of stopping these real criminals by educating both kids & parents in the dangers of online conversations with strangers?.

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I do have some leanings towards your position but there are certain lines which you do not cross whatever the circumstances.

Kerbcrawlers are not entrapped, they simply pick on a police officer instead of a prostitute or, as often happened, an ordinary woman who just happens to be there, no persuasion takes place.

If the girl you are chatting to, or think you are chatting to, online states they are 13 or thereabouts you do not carry on and start talking about sex, that's pretty simple and obvious.

Anything you do after the point of learning their age is fully your responsibility no matter how led on.