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cee-dee
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‎06-09-2014 11:08 AM

If you're a driver watch this video. If you're impatient start it 2 minutes in:-

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq2xStb0R-c

 

97 MPH = 142 feet per second.

 

70 MPH = 102 feet per second.

 

60 MPH = 88 feet per second.

 

54 feet a second less would have given time to react given the same manoeuvre by the car driver?

 

What do bikers think of it? Just a fatalistic view = if your number's up, that's it?


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upthecreekyetagain
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‎08-09-2014 4:47 PM

@saasher2012 wrote:
The sad thing is Humans are all prone to lapses of concentration, no matter how experienced the driver or rider is & in this case & unfortunately in many others the outcome is fatal . Very sad! For both sides of this accident.

Are there really many experienced drivers who haven't at some time ill judged a situation or totally missed seeing another vehicle.

 

I certainly have - only last month I was at a junction wanting to turn right - I looked right, all clear - looked left a car was just passing in front of me- I pulled out and hit a police car coming from the right!

 

Very little damage but if that had been a motor cyclist travelling at nearly 100mph then things would have been totally different.  It wasn't the fact that the motorcyclist hit the vehicle that caused the riders death, it was the sudden decelaation from 100 to 0 mph that did the damage.

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saasher2012
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In response to upthecreekyetagain

‎08-09-2014 7:12 PM

To be fair though how many of us have had a motorcycle come up on the inside of us at break neck speed , scares the heck out of you & I'm amazed that many haven't been injured, you certainly know who to bump into don't ya? lol.




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lambsy_uk
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‎09-09-2014 8:37 AM

@bankhaunter wrote:

 

 

I've known drivers who are waiting to pull out of a side turning, look me in the eye but still pull out making me brake hard to avoid hitting them, it couldn't be said they didn't see me.

 

Not just a lapse of concentration but sometimes a lapse of consciousness. (I don't mean they are asleep)

 

Drivers can end up on Auto-Pilot and they go through the motions of looking but don't register what's there. It's like reading a book but not actually internalising (comprehending) what's been read.

 

We all do it at times I'm afraid.

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‎09-09-2014 8:38 AM

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Yes that's also true& you don't have to be on the road to experience it, I frequently have to jump out of the way when walking my dog on the pavement area on the way to the park, as cyclist riding their bikes come hurtling past with no warning or care for a pedestrian. But if that was to happen to them on the road they would rightly be very annoyed ,Everyone is in such a darned hurry nowadays!.

I'd be tempted to knock them off their bike!

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‎09-09-2014 8:45 AM

@saasher2012 wrote:
To be fair though how many of us have had a motorcycle come up on the inside of us at break neck speed , scares the heck out of you & I'm amazed that many haven't been injured, you certainly know who to bump into don't ya? lol.

I had a motorcyclist coming through the traffic up the inside of me when we were queuing on the motorway recently. I was closer to the left of the lane than normal so there wasn't much of a gap. He squeezed through and then started gesticulating that I should have been looking out for him.

 

Now I'm not so **bleep** that I want to stop motorcyclists from making their way through queues on the motoraway, and if I'd seen him in a mirror I'd have pulled to the right. However it is not my responsibility to be constanly looking in my mirrors while in a queue in case someone is trying to get through. I will give way as a curtesy but there's no **bleep** obligation like this bloke seemed to think!

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‎09-09-2014 9:03 AM

Could start a new trend, " pavement rage". lol.




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‎09-09-2014 9:07 AM

I had a pleasant surprise the other day. A couple of teenagers approached from behind on bikes and I thought to myself "they can go around me, I'm not moving over." Then one said "excuse me" in a very nice manner so I was quite happy to let them by.

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‎09-09-2014 9:09 AM

Know what you mean , there doesn't seem to be any manners on the roads at all anymore, just bad temper & impatience !.




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lambsy_uk
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‎09-09-2014 9:28 AM

I think there are plenty of well mannered people but one notices the a'holes more.

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‎09-09-2014 9:53 AM

True! lol.




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‎09-09-2014 9:54 AM

SO true........even!Smiley Happy

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‎09-09-2014 12:01 PM

It's often the actual road situation which determines whether or not a driver or for that matter a cyclist can show manners, the vast majority of drivers will be considerate if they are in a position to do so.

 

Here is a typical example of a cyclist not being seen.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMO6rGIyfbs

 

And this is why very often I don't use cycle lanes, if for no other reason there are motorists which don't recognise them as a seperate traffic lane and treat them as such thus making using them somewhat dangerous

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPHwOw1S4Ac

 

What is a bit worrying are the number of comments by people who fail to see the motorist's error.

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‎09-09-2014 12:29 PM

Just watched the second video with the roundabout incident.

 

The trouble here is the design of the lanes is awful, it does not promote safety. Years ago a cyclist would have approached the roundabout near the centre white line and gone around it further to the right; not without danger in itself, especially on large roundabouts, but perhaps more obvious to other road users.

 

The cyclist didn't do much wrong except perhaps a lack of a hand signal, but then the driver was vigilant and did stop, they were not driving like the proverbial idiot. I did not have the sound on because I'm at work but it seems the cyclist was rather unhappy and the motorist did apologise. Similar incidents happen a lot between two cars; with one in the wrong lane and/or not indicating and a good road user should be aware of such possibilities and be ready to react. I've had it happen to me many times and I don't get irate, I just appreciate that an accident has been avoided because I've been vigilant and the other driver tends to know it and they will likely say sorry. Enough said, no harm done, though I appreciate a cyclist will feel a tad more vulnerable.

 

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‎09-09-2014 12:46 PM

I would agree that the cyclist may have played safe by using a hand signal but road users are not usually required to signal the fact they are staying in their lane.

 

I thought I heard the woman only complain the cyclist cut in front of her though I think she was rather lead into her position mostly by the fact that such markings are relatively unusual and therefore unexpected.

 

Certainly without those markings the cyclist was far more likely to have taken command of the lane or even been in the position of allowing the woman to pass on their left had there been sufficient room.

 

One somewhat rather amusing incident happened to me where I was coming up behind a woman who was stationary at a level crossing.

I stopped a foot or two behind her but my shoelace caught in my toe clip and I had no choice but to crash to the ground.

The woman leaped out of her car, rushed round and said "Oh dear, was that my fault?" She took some reassuring that she had done nothing wrong and there hadn't even been an accident as such. Smiley Happy

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‎09-09-2014 12:58 PM

@bankhaunter wrote:

I would agree that the cyclist may have played safe by using a hand signal but road users are not usually required to signal the fact they are staying in their lane.

 

 

The less ambiguity the better I'd say.

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‎09-09-2014 4:38 PM

@lambsy_uk wrote:
@bankhaunter wrote:

I would agree that the cyclist may have played safe by using a hand signal but road users are not usually required to signal the fact they are staying in their lane.

 

 

The less ambiguity the better I'd say.

Likewise - it helps congestion and improves safety when cars indicate their intentions on roundabouts.

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‎09-09-2014 10:36 PM

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:
@lambsy_uk wrote:
@bankhaunter wrote:

I would agree that the cyclist may have played safe by using a hand signal but road users are not usually required to signal the fact they are staying in their lane.

 

 

The less ambiguity the better I'd say.

Likewise - it helps congestion and improves safety when cars indicate their intentions on roundabouts.

Absolutely.

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