HMP Berwyn

[astrologica]

Anyone fancy a stay at the lovely new hotel,...sorry....prison in North Wales?  You won't be able to see much of the scenery, but you will have a cracking state of the art room, television, computer, and mobile phone so that you can ring your kids every night to say 'Goodnight'. And your 'staff' will have to knock before they enter your room. It sounds wonderful....if you fancy it, get in there quickly, as places are limited. 

Unbelievable...what incentive is there for living life by the rules?

[cee-dee]

Only tonight I saw a report that nearly 50% of repeat offenders are those that've had short sentences, suspended sentences or community orders.

Perhaps such people feel they "got away with it" with only a minor bit of inconvenience?

[right-then-petal]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39182540

wunder how much money he had stashed away elsrwhere

[bankhaunter]

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@cee-dee wrote:

Only tonight I saw a report that nearly 50% of repeat offenders are those that've had short sentences, suspended sentences or community orders.

Perhaps such people feel they "got away with it" with only a minor bit of inconvenience?

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They don't see the hours of inconvenience as being connected to whatever they got from their petty crimes.

If I said to you I'll give you £20 for an hour's work, you might think it was worth doing but not if it would take you two hours to go there and back.  Whereas they wouldn't consider the traveling time but just see what they think is an easy £20.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@cee-dee wrote:

Only tonight I saw a report that nearly 50% of repeat offenders are those that've had short sentences, suspended sentences or community orders.

Perhaps such people feel they "got away with it" with only a minor bit of inconvenience?

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Not sure you can draw that conclusion from those figures without also stating what percentage of offenders receive such sentences compared to a long prison term.

If those receiving 'minor' sentences outnumber those receiving long sentences, (purely a guess but I would think that is the case), then if they only make up 50% of repeat offenders it would suggest that 'minor' sentences are more effective than 'stiff' ones.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@right-then-petal wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-39182540

wunder how much money he had stashed away elsrwhere

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Not a lot going by reports that his scam had lasted about 4 years and he was making £30,000+ a year.  Looks like it was all for nought.

[cee-dee]

You know that old quote from Disraeli? "There are lies, d***ed lies and then there are statistics"?

You can twist statistics to mean what you want them to mean.

It seems the old bloke I mentioned earlier had nearly 400 previous convictions and has just gone down for another 16 weeks and it was his third offence in a month. (They'd more or less let him off for the other two).

[upthecreekyetagain]

Precisely - you quoted the statistic and drew an erroneous conclusion - I simply pointed this out 🙂

[cee-dee]

You pointed it out with an erroneous conclusion?

[evoman3957]

Would that be erroneously odious..........or odiously erroneous.

[evoman3957]

Please.....don't anybody tell me he was a Roman General.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@cee-dee wrote:

You pointed it out with an erroneous conclusion?

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Yes I did point out your erroneous conclusion - this is true 🙂

[cee-dee]

On what basis did you erroneously conclude my conclusion was erroneous?

[upthecreekyetagain]

On your statistics - "lies, damned lies and then there's statistics" 🙂

[cee-dee]

So, you made a statistically erroneous conclusion from my Disraeli quote?

[upthecreekyetagain]

Do you have the figures to back up that erroneous conclusion statistic?

[cee-dee]

Perhaps you have statistics to confirm your unsubstantiated conclusion that the conclusions mentioned are erroneous?

[upthecreekyetagain]

90% of 23,822 🙂

[evoman3957]

See, that's the trouble; percentages can be very erroneous. Is that 90% of 100% or 90% of the 90% that were in the object group. There again, if only 50% took part, of of the 100%, then taking 90% of the 50% representing 100% would be very odious erroneous.

[cee-dee]

Were those statistics plucked out of thin air? Or were they based on erroneous, biased, unsubstantiated figures?

[upthecreekyetagain]

We need a referendum