Douglas Carswell's defection to Ukip.

[merehazle]

The Clacton MP's decision to join Nigel Farage is like the rest of his career, principled and decent writes Peter Oborne - Daily Telegraph's chief political commentator.

Well it certainly makes for some exitement at last...as the Tory whips scramble to secure party against further departures after the Eurosceptic MP triggers Clacton  byelection. 

And he is honourable and decent enough to deflect on principle.

Eight Tory MP's are reported to be talking to Ukip about deflection?  (we will see) .....

[lambsy_uk]

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

I think we've now reached critical mass:

“Clacton resident told TV reporters: ‘Yes, I voted UKIP. The Tory MP has done nothing for years.’”

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People blame politicians for misleading the electorate when actually the electorate are largely just thick!!!

[joamur_gosof]

But it is the media and politicians that are misguiding people,regardless of anything ,the fact this happened shows many don't have a clue what to do to bring around an end to ruling nonsense.

,Here (UK) we put up with slight of hand (to put it mildly) others are being stolen off or killed even (Worldwide),to provide this notion that 'rule of others' is needed somehow,it isn't needed, it's just to keep a money system that makes a few folk happy and the majority unhappy.

Guidence is needed (as proved in Clacton) not rule.

When a country like ours in 2014 cannot see past the late 19th century to ''put things right'' there is something fundamentally wrong with it,and that wrong in my opinion is called the priority of the governments.

[bookhunter2007]

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

I think we've now reached critical mass:

“Clacton resident told TV reporters: ‘Yes, I voted UKIP. The Tory MP has done nothing for years.’”

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People blame politicians for misleading the electorate when actually the electorate are largely just thick!!!

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And of course, Farage and his gang will blame anyone but themselves after their EFDD group collapsed today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29646414 (Beware of clicking on this link as it may contain COMMUNIST propaganda from the Far-Left BBC)

[danielworgandesigns]

And of course,it is just totally unacceptable by yourselves and totally unbelievable that a back room deal would have been done in order to give the EFDD less floor time.
I mean no underhanded deals like this have ever gone on in the EP or British parliament before have they?
I mean they all play by the rules,no deals,no backhanders,no groupings to stamp out what the establishment don't want to hear.
Honestly do you believe that behind the scenes nothing goes on to stop anything or anyone who gets in the way? 

[lambsy_uk]

Damn shame!

[bookhunter2007]

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@signtique wrote:

And of course,it is just totally unacceptable by yourselves and totally unbelievable that a back room deal would have been done in order to give the EFDD less floor time.
I mean no underhanded deals like this have ever gone on in the EP or British parliament before have they?
I mean they all play by the rules,no deals,no backhanders,no groupings to stamp out what the establishment don't want to hear.
Honestly do you believe that behind the scenes nothing goes on to stop anything or anyone who gets in the way? 

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It was only via a defection by a single Front National MEP that enabled UKIP to form the EFDD in the first place. Let's face it, it's a very flimsy house of cards Farage has built that has fallen apart due to a defection of a single Latvian MEP.  Considering Farage's worship of Putin, can you really blame her?

It's kind of ironic how Farage has been scuppered by a foreigner heading for the exit door.

[danielworgandesigns]

Not really what i asked,but i shouldn't really expect anything more... 

[bookhunter2007]

I'm not really sure what you're asking. But you seem to be forgetting these "backroom deals" and horsetrading are what brought ex-investment broker Carswell and ex-swiss banker Reckless to UKIP. in the first place.

If ukip are willing to make "backroom deals" to poach Tories, then they can't really complain when they start fighting back.

[joe_bloggs*]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/20/ukip-does-deal-with-far-right-to-save-european-group...

Ukip has struck a deal with a Polish MEP whose far-right party leader casually uses racial slurs and questions the Holocaust following fears that its grouping in Europe would lose millions of pounds in taxpayers’ funds.

Korwin-Mikke has also called for the vote to be taken away from women, has claimed that the difference between **bleep** and consensual sex is “very subtle” and said that Adolf Hitler was “probably not aware that Jews were being exterminated”.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Makes you ashamed to be British - how any British elected politician can make such a deal is very depressing.

Await the 'justification' for this from UKIP supporters with interest.

[cee-dee]

I think that given time, people will come to realise where UKIP are going = far too far to the right.

They'll do well to remember the title of the Cyndi Lauper song "True colours".................

[j_uk643]

It's kind of ironic how Farage has been scuppered by a foreigner heading for the exit door.

[danielworgandesigns]

Quick,where's that bandwagon?
Look a bit deeper before judging too much

[upthecreekyetagain]

The deeper you go the greater the stench and the more repulsive the whole episode becomes.

[danielworgandesigns]

And that certainly can reciprocate towards the current government,past governments and European councils.
They are all repulsive rulers to many,yet perfectly acceptable to many as well.
That's the joy of having some form of democrasy,we can all have differing views and each is valid to many who hold them. 

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@signtique wrote:

And that certainly can reciprocate towards the current government,past governments and European councils.
They are all repulsive rulers to many,yet perfectly acceptable to many as well.
That's the joy of having some form of democrasy,we can all have differing views and each is valid to many who hold them. 

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Couldn't agree more and if any of the leaders of UK political parties had led their MEPs, (or other group), into a tawdry alliance with such a person as Mr Iwaszkiewicz I would be as quick to condemn them.

Tawdry alliances such as UKIP have made for a paltry £1 million brings Britain into disrepute.

[danielworgandesigns]

No what really brings Britain into disrepute are the alliances forged by governments in order to allow slaughter in the middle east.
An idiot from Poland who reckons you should give your wife a backhander making up the numbers with Farage pails into insignificance to how consecutive PM's and Presidents have cosied up with war criminals and become such themselves.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@signtique wrote:
No what really brings Britain into disrepute are the alliances forged by governments in order to allow slaughter in the middle east.
An idiot from Poland who reckons you should give your wife a backhander making up the numbers with Farage pails into insignificance to how consecutive PM's and Presidents have cosied up with war criminals and become such themselves.

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Notwithstanding all that you say about global politics, (much of which I am in agreement with), are you REALLY saying you see nothing wrong with the alliance made between UKIP and Iwaszkiewicz.

Label him an 'idiot', (does that make an alliance any better?), but in addition to his own views is a member of party that has called for votes to be taken away from women, states that Hitler probably wasn't aware of the holocaust and as an individual has some very dubious views regarding beating children.

The only justification for the alliance you seem able to put forward is that others behave badly.

I listened to Mr Farage on Radio 4 an hour or so ago and at least he didn't try to justify the views held by Mr Iwaszkiewicz - quite the contrary, he claimed never to have met him or even spoken to him and that he would not make an alliance with anyone who held the views such as those being reported about Mr Iwaszkiewicz.  Time will tell which is of the greater importance, the money or Mr Farage's moral stance.

[cee-dee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29706997

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29706994

Interesting links there?

[danielworgandesigns]

Don't start doing the usual political nonsense and start putting two and two together and coming up with five.
I don't hold his views or any other extreme right politicians views.