Corona virus is more evidence.

[the-blue-rose]

The corona virus is evidence we are deep into "the last days"

The Bible’s answer
The Bible describes events and conditions that would mark “the conclusion of the [current] system of things,” or “the end of the world.” (Matthew 24:3; King James Version) The Bible calls this time period “the last days” and the “time of the end,” or “end times.” (2 Timothy 3:1; Daniel 8:​19; Easy-to-Read Version) The following are some outstanding features of last-days, or end-times, prophecies:
War on a large scale.​—Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4.
Famine.​—Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:​5, 6.
Great earthquakes.​—Luke 21:11.
Pestilences, or epidemics of “terrible diseases.”​—Luke 21:11, Contemporary English Version.
Increase of crime.​—Matthew 24:12.
Ruining of the earth by mankind.​—Revelation 11:18.
Deterioration of people’s attitudes, as shown by many who are “unthankful, disloyal, . . . not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride.”​—2 Timothy 3:​1-4.
Breakdown of the family, with people who have “no natural affection” and children who are “disobedient to parents.”​—2 Timothy 3:​2, 3.
Love of God growing cold in most people.​—Matthew 24:12.
Noteworthy displays of religious hypocrisy.​—2 Timothy 3:5.
Increased understanding of Bible prophecies, including those related to the last days.​—Daniel 12:4.
Global preaching of the good news of the Kingdom.​—Matthew 24:14.
Widespread apathy and even ridicule toward the evidence of the approaching end.​—Matthew 24:37-​39; 2 Peter 3:​3, 4.
The simultaneous fulfillment of all these prophecies, not just a few or even most of them.​—Matthew 24:33.

Are we living in “the last days”?

Yes. World conditions as well as Bible chronology indicate that the last days began in 1914. At that time, God’s Kingdom began ruling in heaven, and one of its first actions was to expel Satan the Devil and the demons from heaven and restrict their activity to the earth. (Revelation 12:​7-​12) Satan’s influence on mankind can be seen in many of the bad attitudes and actions that make the last days “critical times hard to deal with.”​—2 Timothy 3:1.

We ar living in the times of the four horseman.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2017-may/who-are-the-four-horsemen/

[bankhaunter]

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@0125arwen wrote:

For thousands of old and lonely citizens JW are the only visitors they get, for you that may seem trivial, for them it is not.

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Just like vultures, or perhaps spiders spotting a potential victim to lure into their cult, calling them scammers is not maligning them.

They are all nice and friendly until you disagree, do that and you are out.

One would have thought bronze age superstitious beliefs would have died out by now, though they are on their way.

[the-blue-rose]

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@bankhaunter wrote:

Dodging the question and reiterating previous claims, is neither answering questions or showing actual evidence.

Just because you assert something is true, such as the Gospels being factual and accurate accounts, ignoring the fact that in some ways, they differ significantly from each other, does not make them true.

How did the writers know what happened when Jesus was alone? Did they just make it up?

As has been said, assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

"Like the neighborly Samaritan in Jesus’ illustration, we want to help suffering people, including those who are not Witnesses.

Unless of course they are family members who are being shunned or those being sexually abused, they can suffer, they don't matter.

Ever noticed how JWs so friendly at first, drop you like a hot brick once they realise you are not interested in joining their cult, their smiles are as false as that of the crocodile.

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You are of course entitled to your opinions.

[the-blue-rose]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

I don't consider that as trivial - I do question why they are visited though!

JWs don't visit anyone with the intention of helping them in any practical way - the intention is purely to try and convert them to their way of thinking.  In other words the intention is to benefit themselves not the person they are visiting.

You might just as well say that scammers who visit old people should be praised as they may be the only company they get!

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I do find that quite insulting but of course you are entitled to your opinion.

How do you know we don't wish to help in practical ways? Are you accompanying any JWs when they visit people.

You are most mistaken.

[bankhaunter]

And the beauty of those opinions is that there is no evidence to show they are wrong.

They are also a long way from being isolated opinions.

[the-blue-rose]

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@0125arwen wrote:

Are you really that desperate to malign JW that you can't see the difference between a scammer and a JW?

A clue, one is there to rip citizens off and one is there to preach their version of the word of god.

For many the fact they waffle about god is neither here nor there, the fact they are there at all is everything.

I know which one i would prefer to visit the elderly and it is not the scammer.

I don't have all that animosity weighing me down though.

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Thank you. 🙂

[the-blue-rose]

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@bankhaunter wrote:

And the beauty of those opinions is that there is no evidence to show they are wrong.

They are also a long way from being isolated opinions.

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As mentioned before you are quite entitled to your opinions. 🙂

[the-blue-rose]

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@bankhaunter wrote:

And the beauty of those opinions is that there is no evidence to show they are wrong.

They are also a long way from being isolated opinions.

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But how are you going to feel when they are proved wrong in the not too distance future.

Sadly It will be too late then, but it doesn't have to be like that.

Jehovah is working at restoring the world back to righteous perfection by cleansing the earth of all wickedness, where everyone can live not just for the next few years but for eternity. 

All JW's are doing is passing on Jehovahs invitation to all to be part of that new world. 

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Again you are preaching at me.

I'm talking about charity of a practical kind, given irrespective of the beliefs recipients may or may not hold.

I can't find many, in fact I can't find any, examples of physical, practical aid given to non JWs and yet the Watchtower claim charitable status in countries across the world - thankfully many countries are looking at this including the UK.  Far more in terms of tax exemptions is given to the JWs than they ever spend helping so called non-believers.

I wonder if members of the JWs really do know more about the cult they are members of than those on the outside looking in and who have contact with ex-members.

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Cant find any? Maybe look in the right place 🙂  you obviously know where to look for articles you can use out of context to back up any allegations you make.

I would think the reasons for the need to separate ourselves from ex members would be pretty obvious. 1 Corinthians 15:33 it is not because we wish them harm or hate them, or we are accusing them of being criminals or lepers are anything like that. We just choose to not to to socialise in line with that scripture as they no longer wish to be a JW and love God. I am sure you pick and choose who you socialise with, comparing their values with yours, whether they are law abiding or not. I am sure if you have children you would give them guidelines of who to mix with, who in your opinion is acceptable where your standards are concerned.

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I have - i really have - if you find it so funny why don't you point me in the right direction?

It's not just a question of not socialising with ex-members though, is it?

You're happy to discuss here to strangers but not family members, mothers, fathers, children who no longer believe the same things you do.

You rally haven't understood my objections to the JWs as a group - it's nothing to do with what you may or may not believe in private about your God - it is the way in which those beliefs manifest themselves in actions with the rest of society.

Whatever happened to "love they neighbours ss thyself", "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and "suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not"?

[the-blue-rose]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

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@the-blue-rose wrote:

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Again you are preaching at me.

I'm talking about charity of a practical kind, given irrespective of the beliefs recipients may or may not hold.

I can't find many, in fact I can't find any, examples of physical, practical aid given to non JWs and yet the Watchtower claim charitable status in countries across the world - thankfully many countries are looking at this including the UK.  Far more in terms of tax exemptions is given to the JWs than they ever spend helping so called non-believers.

I wonder if members of the JWs really do know more about the cult they are members of than those on the outside looking in and who have contact with ex-members.

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Cant find any? Maybe look in the right place 🙂  you obviously know where to look for articles you can use out of context to back up any allegations you make.

I would think the reasons for the need to separate ourselves from ex members would be pretty obvious. 1 Corinthians 15:33 it is not because we wish them harm or hate them, or we are accusing them of being criminals or lepers are anything like that. We just choose to not to to socialise in line with that scripture as they no longer wish to be a JW and love God. I am sure you pick and choose who you socialise with, comparing their values with yours, whether they are law abiding or not. I am sure if you have children you would give them guidelines of who to mix with, who in your opinion is acceptable where your standards are concerned.

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I have - i really have - if you find it so funny why don't you point me in the right direction?

It's not just a question of not socialising with ex-members though, is it?

You're happy to discuss here to strangers but not family members, mothers, fathers, children who no longer believe the same things you do.

You rally haven't understood my objections to the JWs as a group - it's nothing to do with what you may or may not believe in private about your God - it is the way in which those beliefs manifest themselves in actions with the rest of society.

Whatever happened to "love they neighbours ss thyself", "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and "suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not"?

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I don't find it funny at all upthecreekyetagain, If JWs didn't care we wouldn't be persistent, because to us but primarily Jehovah it means peoples lives. We come out in all weathers freezing cold, hot burning sun, we come out when we don't feel too good, I'm not the only one but if it wasn't for this Corona virus I'd be on the ministry with this terribly painful sciatica. All because we love our God and our neighbours.

I am sorry too if it seems to be preaching at you,  it is the nature of the questions and answers, I'd rather it be described as discussing, I have the utmost respect for others opinions, even if they differ from mine.

Where ex members are concerned yes it is more just socialising, because we still have to respect their wishes to leave, it is after all God given choices. Ex members though have been baptised so they know the faith and have once lived by Jehovahs principals so they are in effect turning THEIR backs on God and the principals their associates and families hold dear and live by.

Strangers on the other hand could if they so wish learn and then want to become a follower of Jesus Christ and love God. If not now things  may change in the future. 

I am not sure what you think we do regarding family members, we don't stop loving them, caring for them. They are still family.

You are right I don't understand your objections to the group, because I do feel that you are taking more notice of the negative writings and reports, bias reports,  untrue statements, false and twisted accusations instead of actually finding out for yourself. I talk about Satan because he is able to influence writers, reporters, ex members and he most definitely does.

That's why I posted those links on "Who really is the ruler of this world" He is to blame for everything bad in this world not God.

No one can or will be able to make you agree with and follow the faith if you don't want to. That has to come from you. 

But to say the things you say about God and us as a group without knowing what we are really like, to not try and understand the reasons behind the principals is not just. 

You quote 3 of Gods major requirements, I can assure you every JW holds those as most important and follows them to the best of their ability.

On Jw .org There is many accounts of how the organisation helps people of all sorts. 

The organisation time and again are the first on the scene when natural disasters strike, helping rebuild, giving needed life saving supplies. Offering practical support as well as spiritual support.

If you really want to know if the JW people are who they say they are make the effort to find out first hand, observe them instead of listening to the rubbish that Satan backs and spuse out.

[upthecreekyetagain]

You have no idea what I know about the JWs and you patently have no awareness of the damage caused to individuals, especially children, when members of there own close family refuse to acknowledge them let alone give them a hug.  How could you?  You won't socialise with such individuals.

Those looking in can often see harm being done far more clearly than those on the inside.

[the-blue-rose]

I rest my case xx




Stay well everyone.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@the-blue-rose wrote:
I rest my case xx




Stay well everyone.

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Unfortunately you only have one case to answer, the lack of love shown to the rest of humanity irrespective of their beliefs or actions - a case you have patently failed to answer 😞

[bankhaunter]

But how are you going to feel when they are proved wrong in the not too distance future.

Ah yes always the future, the future that never happens, just like the supposed second coming that has supposed to be about to happen for nearly 2,000 years.

It won't happen, the bus is not going to arrive, all you have is an old collection of myths, invented 'history' and pure superstition.

[0125arwen]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

My preference would be that neither visited!

And no I'm not desperate to malign the JWs - that infers that the criticisms I have made of them have no basis in fact - I cannot support any group that tries both to scare people into joining them and even worse actively cause great distress to those who try to leave.

Let me ask, do you know anyone who has left the JWs?  If you do I simply cannot see how you can condone the behaviour of the JWs.

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So you would rather those thousands of people had no visitors at all just to satisfy your own animus, bless.

Yes I know people who have left, they made a choice and they are still alive to live with/enjoy it.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I have to express a level of surprise at your comment regarding those who have been shunned by the JWs

Many aren't still alive let alone enjoying life!

[suzieseaside]

Quite

https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/shunning-suicide-jehovahs-witnesses-alienations-deadly-toll/

[0125arwen]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

I have to express a level of surprise at your comment regarding those who have been shunned by the JWs

Many aren't still alive let alone enjoying life!

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JW don't kill you for apostasy.

Families lose touch for all types of trivial and serious reasons, such is life.

[suzieseaside]

No one suggested murder did they?
Depression and suicide is well documented

[bankhaunter]

Families lose touch for all types of trivial and serious reasons, such is life.

Especially when they get caught up in a cult which dissaudes them from having friends outside said cult so the threat of disfellowship has a much greater effect as it means they lose all their friends aswell as their family.

Denying what is well known by those not brainwashed, is pure mendacity.

JW don't kill you for apostasy.

Not directly though they care little if their shunning leads a person to suicide.

Such is life does not include the deliberate shutting off from members of your family. A JW video showing how you don't have to feel bad if you force a member of your family to leave.

[0125arwen]

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@bankhaunter wrote:

Families lose touch for all types of trivial and serious reasons, such is life.

Especially when they get caught up in a cult which dissaudes them from having friends outside said cult so the threat of disfellowship has a much greater effect as it means they lose all their friends aswell as their family.

Denying what is well known by those not brainwashed, is pure mendacity.

JW don't kill you for apostasy.

Not directly though they care little if their shunning leads a person to suicide.

Such is life does not include the deliberate shutting off from members of your family. A JW video showing how you don't have to feel bad if you force a member of your family to leave.

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As i said people disown others for a myriad of reasons, this is just one of many.

Suicide rates are not worse amongst those who chose to leave the fellowship, knowing full well what leaving entails.

There are people who i refuse to associate with because of their lifestyles, this is no different.

In my opinion.