Boris.

[cee-dee]

Bonking Boris is the new PM. What a long drawn out palaver?

[fallen-archie]

I am not prepared to listen to the rantings of that idiot, if he turned up to take me anywhere I would suggest we go to Belsen then we would head for Venezuela where we would feast upon the benefits of JC style socialism. I would like to know how many of his fares he actually declares to the taxman!

[celticthebhoys585]

Scotland is a country with it's own parliament.What we vote vote for is what we should get.The people are sovereign.

Nice try

[joe_bloggs*]

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@fallen-archie wrote:
I am not prepared to listen to the rantings of that idiot, if he turned up to take me anywhere I would suggest we go to Belsen then we would head for Venezuela where we would feast upon the benefits of JC style socialism. I would like to know how many of his fares he actually declares to the taxman!

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[celticthebhoys585]

[fallen-archie]

So you are opposed to anything English, there’s a surprise!
Or just tory’s, whatever it is it is divide and rule, the oldest game in the book?

[upthecreekyetagain]

The UK is made up of 11 regions which include Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales - in terms of population Scotland comes sixth in that list.

What makes Scotland so special that they should have the right to ride roughshod over the rest of the UK by demanding special privileges - the answer is that they aren’t special and they shouldn’t have any more rights.

There seems to be an assumption that because their Parliament passed an Act of Union agreeing to become part of the Union that they should, 250 years later, be able to change their mind.

Devolution was the start of the rot and implied that the 15% of the UK living in Scotland should have more rights than the remaining 85%.  There was absolutely no justification for this.

[celticthebhoys585]

Just blew any ounce of credibility.The act of union is a treaty. I can find nothing anywhere in the act of union that says that one part of the treaty by those two kingdoms Scotland and England that cannot be rescinded by one of same two kingdoms- nothing! About 6 of the acts were about SALT lol.also the 1st two acts are obscene in this day and age. 

Was/is the EU treaty not signed by a tory working for the defacto English Parliament kidding on it is the UK parliament. Now that same treaty the UK parliament (sorry defacto English)is riding rough shot over the other nations now? Kind of pot and kettle.

 Devolution was the start of the rot !Oh was it now?So what you really mean is every other nation in British Isles should be subservient to the larger country , England. Now its coming out what you really think isn't it. 

Regions,what are you talking about? There is not 11 regions of the UK in EU. 

All I want is self determination and Scotland in EU. You seem to want subservience and obedience. I think they call that a dictatorship.

[celticthebhoys585]

The points are about England and Scotland ,so all is relevant. All these people that have no answers always call the anglophobe card. Absolute nonsense. NS husband is English ya dafty,so is a quarter of SNP members.

[upthecreekyetagain]

You misunderstand the Acts of Union - they were not a treaty but a legally binding agreements passed by both the Scottish and English Parliaments.  There was no proviso in either of the Acts for the agreement to be dissolved at a later date.  Indeed how could there possibly be such a proviso when the declared purpose of the Acts was to unify Scotland with England and Wales into a single state.

A treaty is an agreement between two nations to either do or not do something whilst still remaining separate sovereign states.  This clearly is NOT what either the Scottish nor the English Act of Union was.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I don’t normally quote Wikipedia pages but in this instance there is a concise description regarding the Treaty of Union which was then ratified by both the Scottish and English Parliaments in the Act of Union.  At this point the treaty was dissolved and the terms of agreement were enacted in law.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Union

You say that you cannot find anything in these Acts whigh prevents one of the parties withdrawing - have a look at Article 1 of the Acts:-

the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England, shall upon the 1st May next ensuing the date hereof, and forever after, be United into One Kingdom by the Name of Great Britain

the “forever after” part is pretty clear to me!

[celticthebhoys585]

Oh lordy lordy wits this garbage?

"the “forever after” part is pretty clear to me! 16th/ 17th century double Dutch?"

Does it? Does that mean I cannot divorce ever, ever! Omg ! I'm hooked lined and chain balled to the person forever in a day!

One cannot force the other to stay in an un equal union. The people of Scotland are sovereign. We'll decide.



BTW
I'm still waiting on these 11 regions of UK that are in the EU separately As far as I know there is two parts of the British Isles that are in EU still! Don't forget the still! Them being UK and Eire.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I was simply pointing out two of the errors in your earlier post - first that the Act of Union was not a treaty and secondly that there is wording in the Act of Union stating that the Union was permanent, (notwithstanding your statement that you could find nothing - it was difficult to find mind you, it was in the first Act!)

To repeal the Act of Union would require a Bill in Parliament being passed after voting by all UK MPs, it cannot be repealed in any other way.  That is simply the law of the UK - ranting about it will not change facts.

You belittle other posters for their views but when it comes to facts you seem to just ignore them.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Your analogy to divorce is actually a very good one.

The wording in the marriage ceremony is very similar to those in the the Act of Union and until an Act of Parliament was passed, voted on by all UK MPs then divorce wasn’t possible.  Precisely the same as with the Act of Union, Scotland can NOT divorce itself from the UK unless a law is passed permitting it to do so.

[celticthebhoys585]

We'll see about that.

[upthecreekyetagain]

You ask which are the 11 Regions of the UK - well you are correct, there aren’t eleven, there are effectively twelve.

North East, North West, Yorkshire and the Humber, West Midlands, East Midlands, East of England, London, South East, South West, Scotland, Wales and Norther Ireland.

The nomenclature for the last three may traditionally have been ‘country’ but until devolution of powers was enacted they were essentially the same as all the others.

There is nothing special about Scotland in exactly the same way that there is nothing special about London or the South West.  You talk of subservience to England yet that is not the case - each of the regions is subservient to the wishes of the UK.  In the same way that Scotland may have different needs, political motivation, wealth etc than the rest of the UK so do all the other eleven regions.

England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries by common usage only, the country we all live in is the United Kingdom made up of the four aforementioned nations.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@celticthebhoys585 wrote:

We'll see about that.

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About what?

[0125arwen]

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@celticthebhoys585 wrote:

You're kidding right? They(SNP MP's) get treated like that every day in HOC at Westminster.Nothing ever gets done about it.

We didn't vote tory, they have no mandate. The currently poll 12% of electorate in Scotland.They only get that cos they coerce the OO and the high kirk to vote tory - queen and country and the rest of the gumph. 

SNP + greens hold a majority in Scottish Parliament. That's how it works,this democracy thing is it not?.

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You mean like the majority of the uk voting to leave the EU , That's how it works,this democracy thing is it not?.

Can you show me videos of any of the MSP'S getting abuse and booed on the streets of England?

[0125arwen]

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@celticthebhoys585 wrote:

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Wrong.

[margaret*e]

[bustysinclare]

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@cee-dee wrote:

What's said on a thread is all down to the posters. It just seems that some particulary vociferous posters have latched on to the thread to express their less than pleasant viewpoints.

Boris has done and said some weird things over time and has come over as a bit of a buffoon so let's hope he gets a few more grains of sense (and gets them quickly) during his time as PM.

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I couldn't agree more, goes for the OP too IMHO

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 @cee-dee wrote:
 Bonking Boris is the new PM. What a long drawn out palaver?

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Why can't supposedly decent folk express an opinion without resorting to insult?