A 100 years on ... a day to remember.

[merehazle]

 

1914 to 1918 the great war.  We owed them so much. Your thoughts and pictures please. We will be lighting a candle and putting it in our front window and turning out our lights between 10pm to 11pm as suggested by the papers.

750,000 Brits killed. And 17 millon on all sides. And the largely untold story of the Africans and Asians that fought alongside Europeans in the trenches. More than a million horses suffered horiffic deaths. And So many dogs were used often to pull guns. 

[merehazle]

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What did  I tell you .... the hair splitting champion of the R.T.

Look up what the word  PRAISE means too.  That will do.  

[upthecreekyetagain]

Do you want to 'praise' the start of a world war?

Ken Loach made a series of 4 films about WW1 to the General Strike - watch these then come back and tell me you want to commemorate the start of WWI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u019DvYjY4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj8VXpg0abw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPTuhSGTrDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icgi10LINAg

[merehazle]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

Do you want to 'praise' the start of a world war?

Ken Loach made a series of 4 films about WW1 to the General Strike - watch these then come back and tell me you want to commemorate the start of WWI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u019DvYjY4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj8VXpg0abw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPTuhSGTrDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icgi10LINAg

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Lets TWIST again like we did last summer. Who the hell is on about Ken Loach? I'm not. So as painful as it is I come back and leave you to TWIST on.  TAT TAR!!! 

[astrologica]

We all have our own personal views and thoughts on how WW1, and also WW11, should be commemorated. Some of us have personal losses from those wars, and others, so we can never forget their sacrifice. WW1 was such a horrible brutal war....but have we learned anything from it? Every time a commemoration comes up, we have the great and the good telling us that we have to learn lessons and never allow it to happen again. Yet...we went marching into Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, and even this very day there are those who are saying we should be prepared to put 'boots on the ground' in Libya. We have learned nothing. The BBC does Commemorations well, but there is an element of overkill. And, just as a last note and very slightly off topic, would any posters like to state their views on the BBC's reporting of the present conflict in Gaza? It would be interesting to hear them.
Incidentally, I find the display of thousands and thousands of ceramic poppies at the Tower of London a very, very powerful and moving thing. Actually quite beautiful in a sad, tragic way....it certainly made me think.

[upthecreekyetagain]

Astro  - I agree with you about the poppies at the Tower - one of the most moving parts of that display is that it will grow as more and more poppies are added to symbolise those who fell during the period of the war.

I may be wrong but the orchestrated feel about the 'celebrations' led by the 'establishment' detract from the sacrifice and decimation of the working class of both sides that took place during the Great War and instead promotes the idea of unity which was far from being the case in the lead up to and aftermath of the War.

[merehazle]

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@**bustysinclaire** wrote:
Yes.......... One hundred years on........exiting times. xxxxxx

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Sorry, I almost missed this:

Hi Busty ... I wonder what you mean?   

As many  words as you wish.   Well they might be exiting?

[**bustysinclaire**]

Mere.............please forgive my post format as I am still obviously not able to type and post how I should for some reason.............Can't quite fathom what is wrong, but there is something wrong with my board facilities................ I did do a typo as caution pointed out, I meant to have typed exciting times............................. 100 years on from WW1 1914 - 18 is very exciting times, I would say it should be for the whole of mankind, but as many don't believe what I am about to type then of course it won't mean anything to the ones who don't........................I believe - because the Bible says so and therefore to me is true that from 1914 Jesus Christ took his place at the head of Gods Heavenly and Earthly organisation......This was his reward for the sacrifice of his life for all mankind, that he would oversea the means by which God would begin to restore this worldly system back to how it should have been before Adam and Eve by their disobedience destroyed it for mankind.....................So, we are 100 years into that time and not long to go into the future before Gods purpose and promises re accomplished..................That is why for me and other JW's (and all mankind if they want it) it is very exciting times............... I know some will say that I have made a reply to the thread which is off topic but really it is not, becuase it was prophesied in the bible that the great war would be dated 1914 and that it would be a sign of the times.......................I do hope that wasn't too not exciting for you, and that it isn't exiting times for me on this thread, LOL xxxx

[**bustysinclaire**]

I do also apologise for all my typos, as my spellchecker thingy has gone awall as well. xxxx

[astrologica]

Busty......can you tell me where in the Bible it prophesied the Great War of 1914?

[upthecreekyetagain]

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

[**bustysinclaire**]

Sorry creeky, but that link is a load of twaddle...........so many wrong ussumptions in there, but of course there will be because it is a reporting and words by ones who do not beleive in the truth and want to mislead........Armageddon has not even begun yet so how can we say that by 1914 it will be the conclusion of it............

[upthecreekyetagain]

So are you saying that Russell didn't teach, "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from Apr 1878, A.D." and that the various timelines quoted in that link didn't appear as 'truths' in the Watchtower prior to 1914?

[**bustysinclaire**]

Hello Astro............................I am going to try an post a link but not sure if it will as I am having trouble with my posts............if it does post then please go from page 95.......................You will propably find it a little bewildering at first but if you do need help please message me privately I would be very glad to show you where you can freely read for yourself. We have been blessed with many Bible aids to help us understand the Bible and the one I find really helpful is a book called Reasoning from the Scriptures. I hope that helps you.

[**bustysinclaire**]

Here is an attempt to post the link Astro..................................... http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989220

[right-then-petal]

. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989220

just click the HTML tab to post links or photos

[bankhaunter]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

So are you saying that Russell didn't teach, "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from Apr 1878, A.D." and that the various timelines quoted in that link didn't appear as 'truths' in the Watchtower prior to 1914?

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"And, with the end of A.D. 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as is already shown from prophecy." Studies In The Scriptures, Vol. III, (1897)   "...we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914" (1889).   "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. II, (1889) By 1912 Rissell was getting a bit worried so did a little back pedalling   "...he wrote that, while the prophecy remains valid, the power of the Gentiles could end either in October 1914 or in October 1915."

[bankhaunter]

Formatting was a bit wierd but I can now give the link.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witness8a.htm

Those who have prophesied the end of the world have also become experts at making excuses after the customary failures, they have, after all, had plenty of practice.

I suppose it's not surprising considering reason is seldom exercised by their followers that they do not lose all credibility after their failures but I guess it's much the same as some people who have been conned by fraudsters still parting with money after the con is obvious or people who were diagnosed with a terminal illness may be quite upset to find they were misdiagnosed and they are not going to die after all.

[saasher2012]

Just trying to bring this thread back to what it was intended to be & not another excuse to spread the JW take on everything!
What a wonderful sight the poppies make! Like most people I have lost members of family in wars, I'm not interested in the why or where, these men & women deserve to be remembered not just in the forces but also the civilians who also lost their lives, many of them had never even left their towns& villages before going to war, many were very young, I honour them all past & present, they gave us the right to voice our opinions, I wonder if they could see what this country is becoming they would think it was worth the sacrifice,
Long may we remember them& continue to care for the veterans & those who came after them along with their families.!!
RIP. & Thank You!!!!.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@saasher2012 wrote:
Just trying to bring this thread back to what it was intended to be & not another excuse to spread the JW take on everything!
What a wonderful sight the poppies make! Like most people I have lost members of family in wars, I'm not interested in the why or where, these men & women deserve to be remembered not just in the forces but also the civilians who also lost their lives, many of them had never even left their towns& villages before going to war, many were very young, I honour them all past & present, they gave us the right to voice our opinions, I wonder if they could see what this country is becoming they would think it was worth the sacrifice,
Long may we remember them& continue to care for the veterans & those who came after them along with their families.!!
RIP. & Thank You!!!!.

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Every man, woman and child that has suffered due to war deserves to be remembered and yes the poppies are an extremely vivid display bringing to mind the millions who have died.

I still don't feel easy about commemorating the start of a war that cost so many so dear - it is the end of the war that deserves commemoration - isn't that why Remembrance Sunday is held on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month?

Millions were duped into volunteering to fight for King and Country and millions more forced to fight when conscription was enforced.  Remember those who died, honour their valour but don't mark the start of something that caused so much misery.

[bankhaunter]

 I still don't feel easy about commemorating the start of a war that cost so many so dear - it is the end of the war that deserves commemoration - isn't that why Remembrance Sunday is held on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month?

I would agree but it's hard to see how the date could be passed by without some sort of recognition.

Perhaps more publicising of the complex causes could be applicable, the percentage of the population who have any idea, I would suggest, is fairly low.