31-03-2025 10:45 AM
AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.
I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.
07-04-2025 7:22 PM - edited 07-04-2025 7:23 PM
@kath3735_wxmjn wrote:the £69 was an offer, it was on a couple of weeks ago when i actually joined the site but had not decided whether to go with it! Typical. Never mind it may happen again
That 'offer' has been running continuously since I joined in '13. I think it's for 50% off if you up-grade within a short period of joining as a seller on one of their other levels. But I'd always recommend that anyone considering the site reads all of the other packages.
I sell in a niche glass category (Art Deco) and started by getting the Silver level and using their Platinum Listings (small listing fee + FVF) as a "see how it goes" test. Didn't sell a thing, but was doing most things wrong or just badly. Then I started learning and using the site. Since then sales have slowly increased and since Covid the lock-downs I've sold more there than here. But I've never bothered to upgrade or even open a shop.
07-04-2025 7:29 PM
I've sold a couple of comics today and its still letting me use my own delivery option Once the SD is forced on me I'll cancel any orders I have in the pipe line, if any..
07-04-2025 7:31 PM
Interesting and well written reply, I'll be watching. Thank you
07-04-2025 7:47 PM
Good to hear that SD is working well for you, at least so far. It might also work for me but I`ve had nothing listed recently and don`t intend to do so for a few weeks at least. I`m not tech savvy....that`s an understatement.....and I won`t use Evri except in exceptional circumstances.
Anyway, thanks for your interesting and thought provoking contribution.
07-04-2025 7:55 PM
"I have never, never known eBay change their minds because of pressure from their users. I will be bloody amazed if they do so now and I think that you are all wasting you time and energy, but of course you carry on if you think otherwise.”
I’m sure you’re right in that ebay will take no notice at all of its customers. And presumably they wouldn’t be able to reverse Simple Delivery even if they wanted to, because of the contracts that they will have negotiated with Royal Mail and Evri. However, one of the things the thread has done is inform people how they can report what appear to be uncompetitive practices. I would be surprised if Evri’s competitors had not complained to the CMA as well, so who knows what may come of it. If the CMA find against ebay, Simple Delivery will have to be altered, irrespective of contracts with EV/RM.
Anyway it doesn’t affect me any more. Maybe I’ll come back one day either as a buyer or even as a seller, but for the moment, I don’t think it deserves my custom, and nor does ebay want it.
Thanks for letting me vent on your thread, rugbyguy1960. It’s been great to have this place to come to, particularly last week when I was so incensed, not just about Simple Delivery but also about other ebay things. The support, camaraderie and knowing that you’re not alone have all been invaluable 🙂
07-04-2025 8:13 PM
No need to thank me and thank you. I'm just glad this thread has helped. There are so many really good posts on here that have been very helpful too. I do wish you good luck if you go elsewhere. I'm still going to watch these forums to see how things pan out and progress.
07-04-2025 8:14 PM
yes mine haven't been altered but my partners have but we won't be here much longer
07-04-2025 8:20 PM
Well, I've now made 2 labels today and interestingly there was a breakdown this evening at the bottom of the page separating Letters and Large Letters for Royal Mail by 1st and 2nd class.
I clicked through to Buy Labels In Bulk, as I needed to amend the address and I was able to make my label as usual.
Now, both items I've sold today have been 100g or under but both have been Large Letter. So, either, like Buyer Protection, it is creeping in as their system updates, or not everything will get changed over. The uncertainty is ridiculous.
07-04-2025 8:39 PM
If you go elsewhere I wish you both good luck. I'm going to keep a eye open here until a little while after the 15th when it becomes official to see what happens and see how it pans out.
07-04-2025 8:41 PM - edited 07-04-2025 8:44 PM
So with my new account at the place ebay is trying to copy I just placed another order for 2 items with the same seller.
One item was £3 and the other was £4 but by creating a 'bundle' it combined my postage and the seller automatically gave me a 35p discount no need to message etc. It also combined the buyer protection fee which was 43p total. I then picked RM which was a very reasonable £3.39 (the old rate, it will be parcel size) so the total came to £10.47.
It happens those items are more expensive on ebay but if I was able to find them at the same price it would have cost £7 plus £1.78 buyer protection (2x75p+4%of£7) plus 2x £4.27 (or whatever the AI guesses) for RM so the total would be £17.32
So buying a couple of items for the same seller price on ebay is around 65% more expensive.
Sure ebay might not want these low value sales but by not supporting them the higher value buyers will all start setting up accounts elsewhere for the occasions when they need low value items. It was totally remiss of them to make this mandatory before being able to combine postage. There is no justification to charging the 75p buyer fee multiple times in the same order as it's already much higher than elsewhere.
I don't think ebay need to listen to us - the numbers are going to cook them alive.
07-04-2025 8:58 PM
Info like that is so good to know. I'm going to give a trial run elswhere but will still keep a eye on the forums in case a miracle happens. The only downside here is that some really nice and really good people are going elsewhere. I hope they stay a bit longer to see how things pan out even if they use other options.
07-04-2025 9:00 PM
I hope you still keep a eye on what happens here for a while longer.
07-04-2025 9:29 PM
good for you but i have had no problems being able to list and price my items in my own way, take them to the post office, hand over the counter and pay the post office! THAT is what i call simple delivery. I have never had any item either as a buyer or seller go missing (lucky i guess). I hate EVRI with a vengeance and would never use them or buy from anyone who only used them. If i cannot do it my way then i certainly am not going to do it E Bays way. Why waste time worrying about it if you are happy with the system?
07-04-2025 9:34 PM
Through Simple Delivery, customers can save 20% off postage costs* with eBay's competitively negotiated rates for standard and express delivery with Royal Mail and Evri.
where?
all the prices I’ve seen are HIGHER than going direct
eBay are charging nearly a pound more for a small parcel 1-2kg
there is no such thing anyway as a royal mail 1-2 kg parcel price (except on eBay)
07-04-2025 9:36 PM
So very true. What ever happened to PR. We were never approached regarding our views or thoughts. The only way they ever got things through was by announcing changes and then saying they were to be policy changes. I guess they are feeling so proud of themselves yet most normal people would hang their heads in shame.
07-04-2025 9:39 PM
It really is a case of deciding let's do this. We're not sure how to work it all out but we can do that as we go along.
07-04-2025 9:39 PM
Simple Delivery is not just a change there are some fundamental trading basics it changes and not so much a case of how it works , is what happens when it doesn't , because it could very messy and painful for the seller when things do go wrong and they will more often given the simplistic one sized fits all approach.
It could now be seen that if Ebay are purchasing the postage on behalf of the winning bidder , Ebay are acting as a middle man , and this is emphasised by the "buyer protection" surcharge . Ebay are your buyer and they are selling it on to the actual buyer and they are now responsible long distance selling rights and buyer protection etc
As soon as the Ebay courier processes the item, your part of the transaction is complete as you did not purchase the postage , Ebay take it out of the postage amount the buyers has paid them which you are not in receipt off . They also pocket the buyer protection fee ! If you were allowing a home collection you would only do when you have received fees ?
With the seller purchasing the postage from a provider or source of their choosing this can't be issue as the seller is clearly responsible for postage , You have a contract with the courier should the the item get lost and damaged
In practice I think Ebay will still expect the seller to be responsible as they were prior to Simple Delivery and Buyer protection . A concern is who will RM and Evri consider to be their buyer especially if the claim is against a high value item and Ebay are no help at all. If Ebay who are now the middleman fail to inspect your item the buyer issue is with Ebay and not you . It really is a can of worms best avoided
This is perhaps the primary reason I do not want anything to do with simple delivery in relation to regular multiple sales and I think all sellers need to think about this carefully .
Another issue I can see , is the most popular choice with sellers is RM48 . Currently all sub post offices will accept drop offs but this has not always been the case and given how Ebay / RM have shafted sub-postmasters with this closed set-up , sub-postmasters will be significantly out of pockets as Ebay private sellers can no longer go to their local post office unless it some Ebay can't be bothered with !. In reality RM48 could go back to just official drop off points or collection , which starts making things difficult
Another issue is the seller receives no funds towards packaging which is why the fee is called p & P
I have no contract to sell with Ebay , I do not need to sell on Ebay and its no skin of my nose if Ebay lose money as a result and the same applies to RM when they realise their Ebay related revenue drops through the floor . Ebay and RM leadership are responsible to their shareholders and stakeholders and when they realise what a hash up they have made on their brain dead strategy things may happen
Finally I don't believe Ebay want to get rid of private sellers as the free to sell strategy is aimed gaining more private sellers , they just don't understand their own platform and just want it to be shiny and dynamic like greener grass of vinted .
07-04-2025 9:41 PM
07-04-2025 9:41 PM - edited 07-04-2025 9:42 PM
Worked out on Back of a fag packet and “launched” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🤣
07-04-2025 9:46 PM
That is a really great post. So many points I never thought and information like that is priceless. So thank you for making me feel wiser regarding all this.