NO LONGER SELLING DUE TO SIMPLE DELIVERY

[rugbyguy1960]

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

[cobwebcottage]

'I have been selling on EBay for twenty years. Why should I look elsewhere? I and thousands of other private sellers helped make EBay what it used to be, the number one selling platform. You as a  business seller seem to view Ebay as your own selling place.  Why should I after all these years need to find somewhere else to sell. I suggest you find  another platform and stop giving ridiculous advice. Business and private sellers are different. Get it.'

Jumping back in to reply to this ridiculous statement.

So if I understand it, you want business sellers, who are selling to leave while you, who is not selling, to stay?

Just fallen off my chair laughing!

[manicretrominer]

I wasn't even aware it was possible to book collections now via Simple Delivery. The Royal Mail selections don't have collection options built into them, arranging delivery for 30p is just another expense and complication put onto sellers, via "Simple Delivery".

[rugbyguy1960]

Same here.

This platform now and Labour have so much in common.

Labour were planning to hit the most vulnerable but have had to backtrack and admit that they got it wrong.

This platform are hitting genuine private sellers so maybe there is hope here although I doubt it.

It also seems that this platform wants to move away from auctions in favour of some foreign sellers, some Business sellers, and some resellers selling cheap imported tat as Fixed price or a Buy It Now.

Just another example of this platform wanting to take their cut as quickly as possible with no regard for genuine private sellers.

[rugbyguy1960]

The 30p collection charge has been implemented by Royal Mail themselves as I used to use them when I was selling.

I had no qualms with paying that because they collected and brought the label.

However I stopped selling when SD was implemented because I refused to pay inflated prices to post what I sold and refused to let this platform get even more money from me for something that is far from simple.

[veryprint]

I am not selling at the moment due to the ridiculous restrictions placed on private sellers. I did not say I would never sell on EBay again. Advice from business sellers who wear rose tinted glasses may well fall off their chairs. Break a leg!

[rugbyguy1960]

Like I have said,

A business seller with a private account cannot compare themselves to a genuine private seller.

It's farcical to think and believe otherwise.

A Business seller can bat for whatever side that suits them at that particular time.

A genuine private seller bats for one team.

Genuine private sellers who also brought on here in the early days are the foundation of helping this platform get to where it is today.

And it's now been turned into a monumental mess.

[veryprint]

Thanks for the backup rugbyguy. Business sellers are only interested in the bottom line, profit. Ebay themselves are exactly the same being a business. Hence they stick together. Advising me to go elsewhere is a joke. Is EBay trying to be like Amazon. It would suit these business sellers if it was. I have every right to air my experiences on here. Simple Delivery is awful for Private sellers who are not money driven. Do business sellers without these restrictions want to take over. I buy and sell to feed my hobby, not to make a profit. I care about my buyers and want them to feel that they are getting value for money and not being ripped off by the ridiculous buyer protection and inflated Simple Delivery that is forced upon me. Positive feedback meant everything to me and it showed potential buyers that they could trust me. Ebay is even trying to ruin that.

[vinylscot]

I'm sorry, this is nonsense. 

Business sellers who also have private accounts are not "batting for either team", and we have no advantage at all over exclusively private sellers.

The majority of exclusively private sellers do have some income from elsewhere (at least they should), whether that be a job, a pension, benefits, or whatever. Business sellers are the same; it just so happens that our income comes at least partly from a business account on eBay.

We still want the best and the easiest way to get rid of our excess private possessions, and we still want the best price for them. We are entitled to that, and it makes us no different to exclusively private sellers, nor does it give us any advantage whatever. I really can't see where you get that idea, unless you are making the assumption that business sellers are more intelligent, which I don't think is what you mean.

I'll reiterate; there is still a lot wrong with SD, but most sellers can make it work, or at least put up with it, if they want to. Granted, there will be losers, but there are always losers when things change (I don't remember so many complaining when fees were scrapped), and if they don't like it, they can go and sell elsewhere. By now, eBay has obviously realised that they don't need that business. eBay may be wrong on that, and I would be delighted (and surprised) if they changed tack, but that's how it is.

This constant self-indulgent whining is getting old now. I presume most of you are mature adults, and you should really be moving on by now, one way or the other.

[gmij1961]

"The fact that a seller like @cobwebcottage can sell without any hassle using SD, simply shows that it can be done, and if private sellers spent a little more time learning how to make it work, instead of whining about it on message boards, they too would find it much easier to use. (That's just human nature, I suppose)"

Sorry but SD is a can of worms its not just the method of postage it some of the fundamental basics it changes that all sellers that are forced to use should be very wary of . If Ebay persist with it it won't just be private sellers that are forced to use "SD" or what it really is the future "Ebay delivery service" for which they earn a significant slice and is part of their  future strategic revenue streams. Your comments about "whining" are inappropriate to this post , especially given you are primarily  a business seller and not subject to SD yourself  !

P.S this post really is not a soapbox to "whine"  about what precisely constitutes " A Business seller" and to be blunt that has little to what the seller sells , where they bought it from or what there motive . The best description of "A business" seller is whether they are selling as part of recognised business and whether what they are selling is owned by that business  .

In  terms of Ebay "business sellers",  it is an Ebay classification and for Ebay to enforce if required .  For  recognised businesses then registering a business seller is the most beneficial for their status etc.    

I don't know where you buy all your own stock but do you always inform the seller that you are buy as a business and intend to sell it on ?  

P.P.S Not sure if you ever watch day time TV etc  its packed with programs where people buy things and attempt to sell them on as a profit , it doesn't make them  "A business" . 

[moonlight-rhapsody]

"I presume most of you are mature adults, and you should really be moving on by now, one way or the other."

Erm, I'LL decide when it's the right time for me to move on, and it won't be when somebody else tells me I should.  And I don't see why it's apparently *not* OK for some of us to keep complaining, but perfectly acceptable for others to complain about us complaining!

PS.  Hate to tell you, but the right time is not yet on the horizon 😃

[department28]

I'd say people have every right to complain about Simple Delivery. The vast majority of complaints have been entirely justified - these are not just little quibbles & gripes about minor glitches. SD has caused a huge amount of disruption and confusion, especially with regard to the combined shipping shambles, the compulsory tracked postage for low value items, and the removal of choice of courier & services.

The mandatory aspect alone is cause for complaint. eBay have removed an excellent, reliable, fully customisable postage system, and replaced it with the woefully inadequate, restrictive, compulsory SD. It has been foisted on us entirely for their own benefit, with no consideration at all as to what private sellers actually want from a postage system.

If Simple Delivery happens to suit you, that's fine, but that basically means you are fortunate enough not to be one of the many that can't use it, or if they do, find it has now made selling too expensive, or inconvenient to be worth bothering with. Some people also really struggle with change, so it can take some a lot longer than others to adapt to something like this.

Unfortunately, the response to those with any issues, tends to be 'boo-hoo, tough buns, it's eBay's site, so if you don't like it, you can just go.'  How about a little more empathy for those who have been quietly & happily selling on eBay for years, and will be feeling understandably very disappointed & upset to have to leave?

If people believe SD is unsatisfactory for whatever reason, they are entitled to air their grievances. Even if it is falling on deaf ears, it is really important to speak up.

[nursediesel]

This is a community forum where you can praise ebay or highlight its obvious failures. It doesnt say you have to sell or buy to post here so dont berate him for doing so. Its his right to voice his frustrations just like the other 7000 replies have done.

[vinylscot]

I can understand you not agreeing with me, and that's fair enough.

You have completely missed the major point of my post. Although I have a business account (this one), I also have a private account, on which I sometimes sell some unwanted personal possessions. So SD does affect me. My private account is probably similar in size and nature to those many of you have. Surely that gives me as much right to have a view on SD?

However, to a couple of your points

Your P.S. - if that's what you thought my post was about, you are very mistaken. That argument is, as you say, for another place. And, yes, I do make it quite clear to sellers that I am a business when I purchase. My business is a limited company, so I do need to be pretty accurate with my records, etc.

Your P.P.S. - under eBay's rules, these individuals should be running business accounts. (Again, I have no idea what that has to do with my post.)

[nursediesel]

Well by the 7000 messages and 378 pages I think you are greatly mistaken to call all of us self indulgent whiners as you also fit into that category it seems. I am sure that if everyone felt like you then this thread would have went 5 pages and stopped. 

[papso22]

There are well under 100 individual posters on this thread who are complaining about SD.  The fact that they complain/post multiple times does not add any weight to their views.

[jonatjonatjonat]

On the PPS, I would imagine it makes them a tv show contestant, certainly in the case of Bargain Hunt. it isn’t your money you are spending, it’s the BBCs and the proceeds would likely be classed as game show earnings as opposed to a sale.

unsure how other shows work of course, just sharing one example.

[nursediesel]

I am really impressed you went through all 7000 posts and counted the individual posters. Great dedication. What is the exact number out of curiosity as I know you wouldn't post just an arbitrary number you made up in your head as fact.

[moonlight-rhapsody]

"There are well under 100 individual posters on this thread who are complaining about SD."

Goodness, have you really gone to the time & trouble of counting every individual?  Have you got a list of who has posted?

Have you counted all the people who tick "kudos" for a post as well, even if they haven't posted themselves?

Have you counted all the people who have complained in multiple threads about SD but haven't posted on this one?

I'm well impressed if you've got that dedication and I'd be interested to see the figures.

[gmij1961]

But that is why you are a business seller as you are a limited company 🙂

To say private sellers are just whining about SD really questions what you are doing on this post in the 1st place , or are you just looking for a soapbox for your own issues and its quite clear the subject of seller status is very important to you and far more than the implications of SD and all the other changes that go with it . 

Whilst some of your comments can be misconstrued however  your whining comment is pretty clear and should be kept to yourself if you feel that way .  

[vinylscot]

Why don't people read posts before commenting on them?

I HAVE A PRIVATE ACCOUNT TOO.

Therefore, I've had to deal with Simple Delivery for as long as anyone else. Just because some of my income comes from an eBay business account, whereas yours may come from a job, or a pension, or benefits, makes no difference at all to that.

I've never said it's perfect, but for the majority of private sellers, if you want to make it work, you probably can.