NO LONGER SELLING DUE TO SIMPLE DELIVERY

[rugbyguy1960]

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

[lucy_farmer]

'As for HMRC,  that is going to be more of a nightmare as most of my stuff is my own belongings collected over 60 odd years & why shd one pay tax on them?'

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If you are genuinely selling your own stuff, please *don't* worry about HRMC. They won't be coming after you 😊

Ebay (along with every other online selling site) now have a duty to give your info to HMRC once you've gone over a certain limit-over 30 items or about £1750.00 in a year.

What HMRC do with those details, in all probability, will be nothing. HMRC's computer will be looking for accounts making money on lots of brand-new stuff, multiples of the same brand new things, new clothes and shoes in a varity of sizes, lots of 'consumables' (which are very difficult to be 'second  hand') etc etc...... The computer will also be looking for proof of purchase of stuff to sell on.

The only way HMRC will get interested in a genuine private account's sales, is if one or more of those single sales was for over £6000.  (that gets you into Capital Gains territory). But if you're going to sell something for over 6 grand on ebay, you're bonkers!😆

[aymanalvi]

You can say what you want, do what you want, Ebay are holding the funds. Period!

There absolutly no justification what Ebay are saying and doing. A friend sold  an item on Ebay delivered next day tracked. Item was new unopened. Buyer gave postive feedback same day. Thats done deal. Ebay can see that the transaction is successful but guess what Ebay still did not release the funds until they layed eggs on the money. Is that right (I don’t think so) not to mention EbaY always had control of everyones Ebay account.  On another note If you sell your item and Buyer says I changed my mind cancel the sale. Ebay will Not release the funds on Hold, I repeat Ebay will Not release the funds on Hold and take money from your Ebay account which may go in Negative.  How is that right? Well there is nothing right about EbaY any more. 

[andyf117]

"circumstances where big business imposes standard terms and the consumer has no right to negotiate"

Precisely what's happening here, now.

'Simple Delivery' denies us our rights, as consumers, of the ability to select the products - in this instance postal/courier services - which are best suited to our needs and offer us the best value for money.

All these examples being posted of enforced SD rates which are higher than necessary are ample proof.

Likewise, imposing BPF and providing no facility to opt out for those who neither want nor require the supposed protection.

[papso22]

Given that the BPF is said to cover processing the buyer's payment, opting out is not a possibility, unless you opt out of buying altogether.

[dantwocats]

this is nuts ,just revised a board game was free post and SD shows £3.44 so dropped price a bit and ok with this , so oked  the changes it , but looking on main page it shows postage £2.87 ? chick the postage and £2.87 ? and now checked just now and £3.44 what is going on ??

[andyf117]

Then why, in response to my complaint about it, has one CS agent made the statement - in writing - that an opt-out will be introduced in the upcoming site updates?

Meanwhile a further reply from CS on the subject acknowledge that the BPF simply "continues" (their wording) to provide what we already had in terms of 'protection' in terms of payment processing - and the 'end-to-end' encryption which they specifically mention is standard practice anyway.

I'd love to see the FCA's reaction if eBay say OK, if you don't want to pay the BPF, then we'll process your financial information in an unsecured manner...

[agadirram]

£2.87 + VAT @ 20% =£3.44.

[andyf117]

That suggests that SD is now reaching the Toys & Games category, which is where my sole (test purposes) listing is - just checked, and so far it's still unaffected, with the Yodel 'Free post' in place...

[theelench]

Could this be another part of ebay's efforts to ensure buyers don't buy anything from private sellers?

Silly, off putting prices.

Different prices on the ad. and at checkout.

The more confusing it becomes, the more buyers will look somewhere else.  Possibly even at the over-priced, full fee offerings from businesses?

[fatbob*ian]

Has anyone noticed how many commercials for eBay's "free to sell" have started appearing, makes me wonder if they're trying for new recruits to supplement those threatening to leave because of simple (sorry enforced) delivery. Maybe a few twitchy bottoms at HQ.

[andyf117]

As per agadirram's post regarding the VAT, you're seeing the cost both with and without it, dependant on how and where you're viewing the listing, similar to my previous explanation to another poster regarding prices seen by sellers and buyers - plus, eBay 'glitches' every now and then, and displays prices without BPF, so may also be doing so without VAT on postage...

[gmij1961]

They  definitely increased after the 15th , before that I thought I pulled them as I went nearly a week with out seeing one

Always scope to complain the Advertising Standards  Standards every time you see one . It only takes a couple of minutes

1: It is not free to sell on Ebay as buyer protection fees actually make it more expensive . 

2: BPF  has an extra hidden cost as it lowers any final fee . So if the buyer actually gets less than if they paid honest seller fees

Ebay have declared  war on their loyal customers its only fair that  we fight back 🙂 🙂

[gmij1961]

oops meant the seller gets less 🙂 🙂

[andyf117]

Unfortunately, those ads don't breach ASA rules or standards.

eBay would claim - and rightly so - that it is indeed, 'free to sell'.

Right now, any of us could list an item for £10 (plus postage), sell it for £10, and (eventually) receive £10.

The buyer pays the postage (and also the BPF) - so it is free to sell, just not free to buy. 

You could argue that the enforced 'Simple Delivery' does not allow for the cost of packing materials, etc., but it's highly doubtful that would cause ASA to consider the ads to be misleading.

[leighbayuk]

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@andyf117 wrote:

Meanwhile a further reply from CS on the subject acknowledge that the BPF simply "continues" (their wording) to provide what we already had in terms of 'protection' in terms of payment processing - and the 'end-to-end' encryption which they specifically mention is standard practice anyway.

I'd love to see the FCA's reaction if eBay say OK, if you don't want to pay the BPF, then we'll process your financial information in an unsecured manner...

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The official eBay page on BPF now has a NEW icon alongside 24/7 customer support and Seller paid after delivery. The icon is absent from Secure transactions, so they have acknowledged that this is not new.

The fact that this fee is not charged to non-UK buyers is something I hope CMA will investigate as this disadvantages UK consumers.

The eBay Money Back Guarantee and Authenticity Guarantee are separate and not included in the benefits provided by paying the BPF. I can only assume there are legal reasons why these are not part of Buyer Protection.

[aymanalvi]

Why is buyer protection a scam from Ebay to get more money from their Buyers? 

Yes, Business Users are exempt but remember business owner your buyer is a private user who could be a seller recycling thier goods or simply buying new goods but the Buyer Protection Ash Cloud is everywhere.

Here is a real scenerio, Seller sold an item (star night light) for £50 on Ebay as collection only however Ebay listing only offers listing an item with BP as its forced by Ebay law. buyer says I wish to collect the item and pay cash. Buyer then comes along inspect the item and pays cash or via Food vouchers (what ever) then goes home to bed and can’t see any stars at night. The buyer then contacts the seller who is now sitting in Spain having beer on the beech and does not look at ebay at all. Because who wants to look at Ebay on the Beach.

buyer then opens a case and Ebay steps in. They look at the Transaction and as the seller paid via Cash or Food Vouchers the Buyer protection is not valid and the buyer can’t see any stars at night more like seeing Ebay stars in the daytime.  The BP is a unwanted charge that ebay have shifted from Private Seller fees to Buyer protection. Firstly Buyer Protection should have been optional for the buyer. It’s buyer choice if they want to take the risk or not. secondly all items sold come with some sort of protection by courier companies so why Ebay are getting involved is clueless they don’t even know if the item sent is a Brick or Box. This needs to stop and people need to complain to get this right.

[wiganyankeeron]

EXACTLY what I said in an earlier post i.e. "IT'S FREE TO FILL YOUR CAR UP
WITH PETROL AT THE SERVICE STATION" But you still need to pay for it when
you got to the till. It's a 'Play On Words'

RON,

[infohelps]

Is the VAT being charged because eBay are 'providing a service' to their sellers?   Royal Mail postal services are, as I understand, VAT free, it's just parcel services and courier services that VAT  applies to.   Again, this is just my understanding, so if I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.   So, unless someone tells me otherwise,  it seems that  eBay are essentially  forcing many of us into a 'service'  that is not required,  and  forces us to pay VAT that we wouldn't have done if we had stuck stamps on from the Post Office.  I'm guessing that in many cases the VAT payable could negate any so called 'cheaper rates' negotiated by eBay?    This surely must contravene some consumer law?  I will put it in my report to the CMA and let them determine the legalities of it.  Every day this thread alerts me to some other new nightmare, but I am so glad that everyone is here to support each other and share information as eBay's own staff don't have a clue.

[bargain-hardware-2011]

The quoting of VAT exclusive prices is not only confusing but UNLAWFUL. See: https://www.asa.org.uk/type/non_broadcast/code_section/03.html paragraph 3.4.3. The same should also apply when overseas sellers send offers. The email for those also exclude VAT, giving a misleading indication of the discount being offered.

[ruby*ryan]

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@infohelps wrote:

Is the VAT being charged because eBay are 'providing a service' to their sellers?   Royal Mail postal services are, as I understand, VAT free, it's just parcel services and courier services that VAT  applies to.   Again, this is just my understanding, so if I am wrong, please feel free to correct me.   

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Only some are VAT free. Tracked 24 & 48, which are probably the services being used for SD are subject to VAT.

https://www.royalmail.com/information-vat-and-postal-services