Every thing sucks

The simple delivery sucks

The discrimination between private and business sucks - my 99p is now £1.75 whereas a business sellers is still .99p and my Levis at £10 are £11.11 but a business ones are £10 AND a business seller can charge whatever they want for postage…………

I’m not dissing business sellers but COME ON EBAY CREATE A FAIR PLATFORM FOR ALL OF US.

TOO MUCH DISCRIMINATION IN THE WORLD ALREADY 

EBAY WAS A GOOD PLACE TO WORK BUT NOW IT SUCKS

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They’ve reduced the flat 75p rates from yesterday see email below

looks like not for live auctions though (last sentence)

 

We’ve now reduced the fixed portion of the Buyer Protection fee from £0.75 to £0.10. Buyers still pay the fee and it’s included in the item price, so there are no surprises at checkout. Here’s how it’s calculated:

  • A flat fee of £0.10 per item

  • 7% of the item price up to £20

  • 4% of any portion of the item price from £20 to £300

  • 2% of any portion of the item price from £300 to £4,000

  • No fee for the portion of the item price over £4,000

When your buyer purchases multiple identical items in the same order, they only pay the flat fee once.

A live calculator is coming soon, where you’ll be able to enter a price and see the Buyer Protection fee in real-time, so you’ll know exactly what your buyers will pay. When making or reviewing offers, you’ll also see the fee split out from the total item price.

From today, you’ll be able to see the updated rates on your listings, and will notice the greatest impact on items priced £10 or less. If you have any active auctions and offers, they’ll continue to include the existing rates.

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Your hobby must be poking bears! 

Business sellers pay listing fees & pay sales fees. The playing field is not level, but not in business sellers favour. 

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Seriously, it is unfair, but you really haven't got a clue how!

 

It is the business sellers that are getting penalised and not the private!
The difference is, you will get that 99p in your hand!
We business sellers have to pay fees OUT OF THE 99P, which means we pay another 44P plus vat (52.8p), which leave us with only 46p.  And that is not even allowing for the fact that just to list it, we have pay another 25p +vat!

So please do explain, how are you being penalised?

 

Yes, they need to create a fair platform.  YOU need to pay the same fees as we do!

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Yes , i think every seller should pay the same rate of commission, business less and private more.

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@bish38 wrote:

my Levis at £10 are £11.11 but a business ones are £10 AND a business seller can charge whatever they want for postage…………


Yes, but you get £10 in your account, while the business seller gets £8.31. If you want to match the business seller's £10 price, you can do so by lowering the price of your item until the price plus the BPF equals £10. You'll still be doing better than the business seller.

 

And the business seller can't "charge whatever they want for postage", necessarily. If I sell a video game that comes with a large controller or a figure or something, and it costs £5+ to ship, eBay would only let me charge £3.50 because they decided that video games are small, and so the maximum I can charge in that category is £3.50.

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If Business Sellers have it so good open a Business Account.

Cacas vendit.
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Ooooft please don't wind up the business sellers with your ignorance. Business sellers pay and have always paid more than private sellers. I will admit private sellers got nailed more here but if 90% of them would stop illegally being businesses on personal accounts, it wouldn't have become such a problem.

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eBay always seems to struggle when it comes to putting concise and accurate explanations in writing.

 

Just for info, the new BPF rates apply to auctions listed by private sellers on or after 17 July 2025; the BPF on any auctions listed prior to that date will have the previous rate on the date of listing (4%+75p) applied. What I cannot find anywhere is any information relating to the rate of BPF which will apply to auctions first listed prior to 17 July 2025 which subsequently relist after that date.

 

I assume the BPF applied at the time of first listing will apply to a relisted auction, in which case private sellers with auctions listed prior to 17 July 2025 will be at a disadvantage to sellers listing after that date, but eBay coding being the standard that it is it really is anyone's guess as to which BPF rate will be applied. It might even be random, just to add a little tension into the listing process... : )

 

The thing is that by introducing a new percentage calculation and flat-rate for BPF which applies to listings made after a specific date private sellers don't even have a level playing field amongst themselves, let alone between private and business sellers.

 

It's a bit odd that when BPF was first introduced it was added to every applicable listing regardless of the listing date but the new rate only applies after a specific cut-off date. Probably the best thing for private sellers to do would be to end any listing which includes the BPF at the previous rate and create a new listing which would include the new BPF rate (I assume relisting would still apply the BPF rate which was applicable at the time of the original listing was made).

 

Frankly eBay have made such a horlicks of BPF that they've had to make fairly major changes after less than 6 months. Give it another 6 months and they'll probably change it again...

 

 

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I am only responding to one point.

Auction items which automatically renewed after the announchement/change to BPF have relisted with the new rates.

For example, I have a bracelet which automatically relisted, priced at 7.95. cost shown including BPF is 8.59.

"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
Søren Kierkegaard, Danish philosopher (1813 - 1855)
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Plus a business seller would have had to buy those jeans and pay tax out of the £8.31, accountant fees, time sourcing stock ect

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@jckl1957 

 

Many thanks for the confirmation.

 

I'm intrigued as to why your bracelet has relisted as £8.59, though: 7% of £7.95 is £0.5565, which would be rounded up to £0.56, plus the 10p flat-fee, giving a BPF total of £0.66. £7.95 plus £0.66 is £8.61, not £8.59...

 

 

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I did notice that.

When the flat fee 'WAS 75p' it was actually 72p.

Maybe somebody at Ebay was away they did sums at school?

"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
Søren Kierkegaard, Danish philosopher (1813 - 1855)
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Maybe they have made the same mistake again and the flat fee is being charged at 8p instead of 10p?

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eBay's grip on mathematics has long been somewhat tenuous, jckl1957...

 

The 75p/72p flat-fee issue was actually caused by the flat-fee being added after calculating the 4% rate for BPF rather than before: 4% of 72 is 3 (well, 2.88 rounded to 3) and 72+3=75. So an item which sold, say, for £10 would have a BPF of 4% of £10 (£0.40) plus £0.72, which equals £11.12, rather than a (correct) BPF of 4% of (£10 plus £0.72), which is £0.4288 (rounded to £0.43). £10.72+£0.43 = £11.15.

 

It's not rocket science, but it does require programmers to have at least a basic understanding of mathematical calculations. eBay's approach (to all its code) has long seemed to be "that'll do, it's close enough".

 

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My thinking is that the BPF ( any fees to buyer in any shape or form) promotes negativity and apprehension in buyers, and things would be much better if private sellers were to pay eBay a commission from sales proceeds like the old days.
The best way may be for private and business sellers to pay the same which would mean a bit more from private and less from business.
A fair platform for everyone selling.

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I am in no way having a go at business sellers. In fact i believe it would be best if BPF was ditched and all sellers private and business pay the same commission from sales proceeds. This would quite probably mean less from business and more from private which is fine with me and I’m private.
I feel that at the moment ebay is not putting itself across well to buyers and i mean straightforward shoppers.

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@thesmokingrunner wrote:

eBay's grip on mathematics has long been somewhat tenuous, jckl1957...

 

The 75p/72p flat-fee issue was actually caused by the flat-fee being added after calculating the 4% rate for BPF rather than before: 4% of 72 is 3 (well, 2.88 rounded to 3) and 72+3=75. So an item which sold, say, for £10 would have a BPF of 4% of £10 (£0.40) plus £0.72, which equals £11.12, rather than a (correct) BPF of 4% of (£10 plus £0.72), which is £0.4288 (rounded to £0.43). £10.72+£0.43 = £11.15.

 

It's not rocket science, but it does require programmers to have at least a basic understanding of mathematical calculations. eBay's approach (to all its code) has long seemed to be "that'll do, it's close enough".


I think the fact that 72p + 4% = 75p is just a coincidence.  The flat fee is supposed to be added after the variable % fees are applied plus your theory doesn't work for the new BPF flat rate (10p published rate vs 8p actual).

 

The simple answer is that the flat fee isn't actually a fixed amount but up to a certain amount.  It was 'up to 75p' (but actually mostly 72p) and is now 'up to 10p' (but actually mostly 8p; the only exception I have found so far is for a £1 item where it works out at 9p).

 

Where eBay has caused confusion is by using the maximum amount (75p/10p) in their worked examples when it is actually nearly always less.

 

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Ok, maybe 72p+4% = 75p is just a coincidence - and yes, I am aware that eBay cover their lack of mathematical ability by stating the (old) flat fee was 'up to 75p' - but it really is an incredible coincidence that the flat fee amount levied by eBay in most but not all cases just happens to be 75p if you add 4%.

 

Incidentally I didn't claim that my theory would work for the new rate of BPF simply because it wouldn't due to variable percentages being used. An item selling for less than £20 would have a BPF rate of 7%, in which case the flat fee could be £0.09+7% = £0.0963 rounded to £0.10, but if an item sold for more than £20 a proportion of the flat fee would attract 7% for the first £20 and 4% for the remainder. Without knowing the sale price those figures cannot be calculated accurately.

 

I'm pretty sure eBay has managed to mess things up. The fact that the previous BPF flat rate was 'up to 75p' covered them for mistakes made in calculating the actual fee (surely it should have been 75p on every item, no ifs or buts, not 'up to'?).

 

And I think your mention of a recent sale where the flat fee worked out at 9p compared to 'mostly 8p' shows at the very least that eBay are adding the now variable BPF percentage rate to the flat fee to presumably get as close as possible to 10p. There would be no need to do that if eBay simply added 10p to (sale price+4%) but it doesn't surprise me that they don't. It doesn't surprise me at all.

 

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