Ebay is it declining?

Hello

I am beginning  to  wonder  if  eBay  is  on  a  rapid  decline!  Speaking  to  some  other  users  I know personally  we  are  all saying  that,  with  all the  recent 'revisions' that  have ocurred  recently  the  sales  have  declined. I have  seen  this myself  and  I feel  that  buyers  are  going  elsewhere  these  days.

 

I am very disappointed  with  this  situation  having been a user  for  20Years  using  my  current  eBay name  and  around 15  years previously  using  a different user name (  we moved  house  and  my user name  had a reference to the old house  name,something  I would never  do these days!)

 

Just  wondering  what others  think

 

Steve

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They have changed there policy on what courier the seller uses and have no say so in contacting them if goods are damaged. Bought something recently and courier damaged the box and some of contents. I did complain ( seller wasn't at fault as box was well packed up]. Standards are not what they were in e bay ( been a buyer for a few years and since they ditched PayPal, its unfair that sellers are treated differently. The latest gripe I have is the AI when you are searching for a particular item particularly if you have an interest in art, [ I noticed the name in the listing didn't match the description]. I pointed this out to seller who was miffed and pulled his listing off. Its not the first time I have noticed this. Standards have certainly fallen in the last year.

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"The latest gripe I have is the AI when you are searching for a particular item particularly if you have an interest in art, [ I noticed the name in the listing didn't match the description]. I pointed this out to seller who was miffed and pulled his listing off. Its not the first time I have noticed this. Standards have certainly fallen in the last year."

 

It was astute of you to contact the seller rather than ebay, because ebay couldn't care less whether the description is accurate or not.  And it's not just AI that couldn't care less - if you complain to Customer Service, they condone inaccurate descriptions as well.  I couldn't agree more with your last sentence.

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you have to go trough packlink , only royal mail will direct deal with a claim i have noticed . yodel and evri wont if its bought on ebay.

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Yes , I agree. I think it is 12 years using this ID and we were selling on Ebay in the first or second year of Ebay being available in the UK.

Since simple delivery/buyer fee came in and all my listings were changed remotely I have seen sales plummet. No offers either.

Never thought I would se this happen but in August sales on Vinted out numbered sales on Ebay by 13 to 1. 2 sales on Ebay 26 on Vinted.

 

Even the items that people have on their watch list have dropped. Up until recently there were normally around 20-30 of my items being watched at any one time. For the past 2 months that number has never been more than 6.

 

Even things like leather biker jackets which used to sell in hours are not even getting any views.

 

Just not a good place for private sellers now.

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I used to have what could only be called an eBay addiction. On any given day, I could have been bidding on anywhere between one and ten auctions. It's averaging one or two a week now. The most obvious thing to me, is how eBay, having made things difficult-to-impossible for sellers, having thus created a climate of apathy and dissatisfaction in the seller community, has changed seller behaviour. The most frustrating part of which, is the abject lack of interest in answering pre-sale queries, about things like clarifying the courier (many of us have couriers we'd rather avoid), or providing a crucial garment measurement (e.g. underarm-to-underarm on a ladies top, because, we're not all the same up-top!), that they failed to include in the listing. This disinterest in providing accurate, pertinent information is most telling, with the now enormously frustrating, endemic use of AI for the item description - it's most off-putting, not least because, all it informs me, is, the algorithm's intelligence, is indeed artificial. To nowadays have a seller reply to a query, promptly, respectfully, in full, is becoming as rare as rocking-horse doings. I can't believe the amount of people that, when/ if they do reply, don't answer the question(s), are rude, and treat you like you just killed their dog. Many have said only "it's in the listing", like I'm some sort of intellectually-disabled individual, when it is NOT in the listing - why would I message to ask for information, if it was already there?! I scour every inch of any listing, scrutinising every bit of text, every image - the adage 'caveat emptor' is a way of life for me. I'm the savviest shopper I know!

 

 

 

I had one guy, not respond to a courier query about a vinyl record, but then, a couple of days later, he made me an offer (this is happening more & more - ignoring queries, then making offers and ignoring subsequent messages) - I messaged again, reiterating I need to know what courier, he ignored me. When he finally did reply to me, he said "just buy it" and called me a smeghead! I should have reported him, but, I just wanted the record, so, I let it slide; he said he'd send via Evri (my most reliable, trusted courier), but, as I should have expected, really, he sent it via Royal Mail, eliciting many days of anxiety as I waited for it to arrive (in my area, the guy that delivers parcels for Royal Mail, is a rampant kleptomaniac, that likes to pretend transit damage happens all the time; he tears packaging, takes what he wants & delivers the remains, usually just the torn, empty packaging, in an RM 'apology' bag). This, however, is not my worst recent experience. 

 

 

 

Last week, I won and immediately paid for, a Santoro Gorjuss figurine - I've wanted it forever, it looked virtually pristine and the start bid was ridiculously low. There was very little competition, I won it for a song, a fraction of the original price when new. What I received instead, was a different figurine - it is tatty, in poor condition, not what I won, paid for, wanted or expected to receive. I messaged the seller immediately, informing them of the issue, expressing my disappointment (I told them, I could cry), requesting they post to me a postage-paid returns label (I don't have a printer), so I could return it for a full refund. My message was ignored (I waited four days for them to respond), so, I have had to raise a case with eBay - I did not receive my item/ I want the item. At first, I thought, they have sent mine to the person that was supposed to get this one. I now believe, they have struggled to sell this tatty thing & just want rid of it, at the same time, they wanted considerably more for my figurine - they were miffed, there was so little competition, and they regret the low start bid, so, they have retained my one to try to sell for more later, sending me the one nobody wants, expecting I'd be fine with that. Their ignoring my message, has only made the situation worse for them. They will now have to refund me, and it's likely eBay will say I don't have to send the tatty one back. It's highly unlikely, they will get more for mine, unless they do it as a 'Buy It Now' for an amount they're satisfied with, or raise the start bid. I will be haunting their profile (I screenshotted their listing images), to see if they relist it, and checking listings, to see if they attempt to sell the identical item on another profile. 

 

 

 

I've had more poor experiences in the last two years, than I had in the previous ten years. The ruination of the platform; removing/ changing functionality & layout; turning the listings pool into a quagmire of cheap, nasty trash, multiple listings for the same thing from the same seller to sort through (the filters are NO help); daft policies, designed to maximise their profit, by retaining seller funds for as long as possible - it's earning interest in their accounts, instead of paying a seller's utility bill, or whatever you need your revenue for - it is callous, and has made sellers feel cheated and not valued by eBay. Good private sellers, the ones with integrity, every day, they see other private sellers, rogue sellers, that are obviously trading as a business, getting away with gaming the system. This, and plenty more besides has, in turn, changed seller's attitudes towards buyers. I know there are plenty of rogue buyers out there, too, playing their rotten cheating games - this is just from my perspective as a buyer - I have never sold, and now will never sell, on eBay. 

 

 

 

The statistics speak loudly, for themselves - eBay has lost, in 11 years, from 2014 to 2025, 6.7 million sellers - between 2021 and 2024, 1.4 million sellers lost. They seem to be perfectly happy about it all, so, let us not feel one iota of guilt, about taking our business, our custom, elsewhere. We all deserve a lot better. It was not broke, but they went ahead and 'fixed' it, anyway. Their competitors are dancing reels in the aisles, at their hubris and incompetence. Prime Day next week - hooray! :0)

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Well said.

Thats a real shame about your figurine. The reality is, the seller could have started the price at a realistic price for themselves rather than start low. Who really starts items at low prices. Auctions can be so hit and miss I would never take that chance myself. So this has been a common problem for years, not so much in receiving a piece of tat, usually the auction gets cancelled…Once upon a time if you cancelled or didn’t pay you would get a strike..too many strikes and you were out. Do these still apply…Probably not…
I know eBay cannot force people to send something but with no penalties they will do it. I’ve lost count at the cancellations in the last few years.   For no real reason other  than they did not get enough money for their item, with the last one I got very verbally abused after asking why they cancelled…

As for AI…..don’t get me started….utter nonsense descriptions…..this lovely dollshouse furniture will add grace and charm to your collection…..no mention of the damaged legs, smelling of loft or cig smoke and the thing is the seller doesn’t think they have to mention it and get all upset when you do…..

Another thing to drive buyers away….

 

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'As for AI…..don’t get me started….utter nonsense descriptions…..this lovely dollshouse furniture will add grace and charm to your collection…..no mention of the damaged legs, smelling of loft or cig smoke and the thing is the seller doesn’t think they have to mention it and get all upset when you do…..

Another thing to drive buyers away….'

 

Yes. I think it was a big mistake to allow private sellers to use this ridiculous AI tool. Anyone with a half an ounce of common sense must be well aware that at best, it can only provide an utterly useless, space-filling description, usually wildly inaccurate, and basically just laughable/cringe-worthy... 😬  

 

Far better to remind the seller to include measurements, fabric content etc, before submitting the listing, than encourage this lazy substitute for a helpful, sensible description.

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"Who really starts items at low prices."

 

Probably they are likely to be new sellers who hope that their item will find "its own price level", or those who have no idea of an item's value and hope for the same thing.

Very likely they might have read ebay's Help Page where it still says :

 

"A low starting price helps attract bidders"   Despite (as you note) this hasn't been true for years.  

 

In fact, with private buyers being far thinner on the ground these days, all the unwitting seller is likely to attract are a few re-sellers who will only bid the start price to maximise their profit.  Which is why so many auctions end with only one bid. 

 

It's just one way that ebay abuses the trust of (usually) private sellers by allowing them to be used as a cheap re-stocking resource for businesses if they are daft enough to follow ebays advice and just one of the reasons that private sellers/buyers are looking elsewhere to sell their unwanted stuff.

 

Who can blame them for refusing to sell granny's diamond tiara for 99p when they've been so blatantly mis-informed and given such bad advice by the auctioneer?

 

Ebay SHOULD be giving sound advice to its customer (the seller) and advising them to 

a)   Set the start price at the lowest price they find acceptable.

b)   Do their own research before even thinking about selling the item.

 

NOT offering them up as easy pickings to a flock of vultures.

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Thank you, and, thank you, yes - a real shame, and, you're spot-on; the reality is, the start bid should have been realistic, or, at least, rooted in real-world understanding, after a bit of prior research. What gets my goat is, we don't get to keep trawling and find the good guys, because our time is being wasted by the rogues. This used to be called a market-place, and that's what it was - "here's my stall, all or part second-hand stock, all clean, in good working-order, ready to be boxed in superb packaging, going for a fair price, I'll communicate with you, although it won't always be necessary, because my listing is complete and despatch is super-quick with updates all the way". Every word you said, it's all hit and miss, more of a gamble, feels more like the wild (capitalist) west, than a quaint village hall, or front lawn, conservatory, patio...you definitely get strikes for not paying, I don't know what penalties arise from mis-selling, eBay never tell you anything, when you have no choice but to report them. I want to laugh at the nonsense but I just can't, indeed no mention of the damaged legs and humming scent - getting upset when you mention it could become an Olympic sport. 

 

 

 

I'm at the stage now, as a buyer, where I can't take any more of the rogues - I've had to be even more discerning having been burned, this last 12 months especially, by all sorts of shenanigans (these, just two of them: one seller messed me around waiting on a combined postage invoice, then requested I buy off-platform, on Vinted, instead, so they could avoid eBay fees and, no doubt, charge more for the items - not my fault the start bids were ridiculousy low and there was zero competition; another (update) - has sent me the wrong figurine - I told them I do not have a printer, I want a postage-paid returns label posting to my home, so I can send this wrong, tatty thing back for a refund - they ignored me, I had to open a case, which was closed, return process started, with me, yes, you guessed it, being expected to print off a label, when I told the seller AND eBay, I do not have a printer); I'm pretty much done with eBay. 

 

 

 

I used to be mad for eBay, now, it just makes me mad. The good guys, nowadays, are too few, and too far between. I've found the only sure way to not get scammed, is buy off a charity - I've NEVER been stung by a charity eBay seller. I'm going to start going to charity shops and car-boot sales again - I fancy the odd record fair is in my future, too. I now want to be able to assess an item in person; I want to see, feel, and smell the thing, before I part with my cash. That way, I can be absolutely sure of what I'm getting - I'll be taking it home, sold-as-seen, with no further work necessary, and I won't have to mess about with the bot-driven eBay process for dealing with issues inflicted by rogues - it is not robust enough. Actually, I'd say, it's not fit for purpose. I miss eBay, how it used to be. I really do. I won't miss what it has become.

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I think, at least in part, due to the loss of the knowledge base that ebay once had because there were once far more real enthusiasts and far fewer 'traders'.

 

I started collecting Art Deco glass at least 40 years ago, to begin with I didn't even know it was Art Deco, I just liked it.  Over the years I bought anything that took my fancy, it wasn't until I found ebay that I began taking any serious interest in the manufacturers and names/ numbers of pieces etc.  When I first started browsing ebay's Art Deco category it was a treasure trove of info. provided by sellers who knew far more than I and filled their ads. with lovingly written, accurate descriptions. 

 

I learned so much from them, including websites for I.D'ing and discussing glass.  That has mostly gone from ebay as has, all too often, any attempt at accuracy.  Search for a named glass maker and I get a motley collection of often wrongly ascribed, seeming guesswork and too often multiple choice names trying to game the search results, such as "Art Nouveau Art Deco Bagley Davidson Walther".

 

With one line descriptions telling me to "Look at the photos as they are part of the description" when, in fact they are all of the description (and often poorly shot at that).  Or worse still the execrable fluff and nonsense generated for the totally ignorant or lazy by A.I.  This sort of seller knows nothing and cares even less about what they're selling.  They probably genuinely believe that the "stunning and rare" item that they're trying to sell for £9.99 was made with random bits missing from the edges.

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That's a perfect observation - the loss of the knowledge base, because of the loss of true enthusiasts and professionals, being replaced by ignorant, greedy fly-by-nights. I love Art Deco anything (yet can ill-afford it); you must have found a lot of joy over the years, learning and collecting, from others witth the same passion - it's clearly a passion for you, and it's more of your ilk that are missing; with it likely being a case of when, not if, you go from the platform, having been driven away quite deliberately, it seems, eBay will have lost yet another time-served, now-expert from the fray. The rogues actually think gaming the listing search makes them seem like experts, but to even the un-trained, un-knowing eye, some of us know, when they have tried to cast their net wider with three different styles, or designers' names. 

 

 

 

it's the absurdity of it all - I've been a Monty Python fan all of my life, but, this farce takes the cake, the biscuit and the other (liquid) stuff. Whether you meant to or not, you did make me chuckle a couple of times - not at your frustrations, of course - a lá Frank Carson "it's the way (you) tell 'em". "Look at the photos as they are part of the description" - I did, look at the photos, I did expect, they would form at least part of the description, too, but, no - I came to regret, looking at the photos. Any amount of blurry, over-exposed, under-saturated, wrongly-oriented images, I just click 'back' and look elsewhere. You are so right, they know nothing and care even less - their lack of care, concern, interest, even involvement in the selling process, leaves me cold. The ignorant have no excuse, as they surely know, that the AI-nonsense is not indicating any selling point - unique, or otherwise, and the lazy, well, there's no fixin' them...they, are stunning and (not-so) rare, no doubt with random bits missing from their edges, too!

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Possibly, but the cancellations in my case were not newbies. 
For example, a joblot as a BIn, not cheap by any means. Cancelled hours later as he said he didn’t sell it for enough and I could neg him if I chose too..

The abusive one. The lot came on as starting bid or best offer. I made an offer which was declined. So I decided then to do the auction and won it at half the offer price. Asked why it was cancelled and was on the receiving end of some really nasty abuse…

The suggested selling price when creating a listing is just basically a lie. My selling price is based on what previously sold or currently on sale for.

With so many lens tools out there to identify something and get a realistic price guide to start an auction there would be so fewer cancellations. If the seller can’t be bothered to do any research then it’s on them if granny’s tiara only sells for 99p.

Sadly EBay auctions are now totally unpredictable, not like at least 10-15 years ago when you knew you would get a good price for something and starting at 99p was a normal thing to do

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Please don’t let a few bad apples ruin your buying experience. We’ve all had them. There are many great sellers on here and I think including myself, that are honest about their descriptions and reliable that you will get what’s been advertised…

Even though I don’t have to, I still message every single sale to say I hope they are happy and I can listen if they have a problem and being honest in the description means that virtually nothing comes back to me..

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I do appreciate your frustration, I've felt the same on occasion.

 

But my point was that ebay (the auctioneer) shouldn't be giving the bad advice that "start your auctions at a low price" is these days.  The results are reasonably predictable and far more so than in the past when there were more collectors than dealers competing for the same items.

 

A very quick check of the last 10 items in the Saved Search I mentioned earlier shows that  7 out of 10 sold for the opening bid, only 3 achieved multiple bids.  5 of the 7 were sold by private sellers (judging by the 'odd' start price with odd pennies indicating the BPF(?)).  All of the 7 achieved less than I'd expect for the item, as did 2 more even though they got multiple bids.  So 9 out of 10 auctions under-achieved IMO, compared to BIN listings.

 

For example a popular and collectable glass clock  - 1 bid  = £4.35  (usually goes at around £40 - £60)

A popular centerpiece bowl  - 1 bid = £0.08p (usually £20 -£30)

A pair of candlesticks  -  4 bids = £4.35 (usually £10 - £12.)

 

I do accept that there are lens tools and other research that sellers should do or suffer the consequences.  But when I use lens tools for researching glass I find they have been prone to being US centric and although I may be researching a piece that I'm 99% sure is of either UK or European origin, the 'similar' pieces the lens search gives as results are quickly filled with US and all too often modern, not vintage and not European and not much help.

 

Even researching prices for glass on ebay is not as helpful as it once was, because the variety especially in better quality items has declined as better sellers have largely deserted ebay and sell elsewhere.  Probably because of the consistently poor prices achieved here, now.

 

When I'm researching prices these days I look at what is on offer and recently sold on ebay, but to get a better idea and realistic pricing I also look at etsy and google shopping. 

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'For example a popular and collectable glass clock  - 1 bid  = £4.35  (usually goes at around £40 - £60)

A popular centerpiece bowl  - 1 bid = £0.08p (usually £20 -£30)

A pair of candlesticks  -  4 bids = £4.35 (usually £10 - £12.)'

 

That 0.08p sale is a bit odd... someone else on the forum mentioned an item selling for only 8p recently, and about a week ago, I also noticed an item sell for 8p, which seemed very low. When I checked the feedback, the sold price alongside that item was £13.00... 😲

 

If the 8p item you spotted has had feedback, perhaps you could have a look & see if it also has a different price?

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Yes you are right about the auctioneer. They should not be giving a suggested price and when I see a suggested price of say 9.99 I know that is just not right if I have already compared prices on sold listings that are nowhere near 9.99…

Another thing I have noticed is the disappearance of prices realised except in an auction which is not a lot of help. Which might explain an item only selling for 0.08p which I have seen numerous because it was sold with an offer…no offer price shown..
Saying that but if those items only sold for those prices it could be a clear indicator of the state of the economy or people just turning away. I have items listed that would have sold for a lot more in the past..

As for the lens thingy, it was more about identifying an item, rather than finding out the price, which like you I go by sold listings..

 

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'Another thing I have noticed is the disappearance of prices realised except in an auction which is not a lot of help. Which might explain an item only selling for 0.08p which I have seen numerous because it was sold with an offer…no offer price shown..'

 

It looks like this 0.08p is being used as a 'default' sold price for auction items that sold with an offer. Why 8p?! It is getting increasingly difficult to find out what anything actually sold for these days.

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I don’t understand why an offer price accepted is not shown unless they are very low offers.. Yes agree that 0.08p must be a default price. 

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