Coming soon to eBay Mandatory Simple Delivery

[andha-21]

Someone found the dates yesterday and posted them. Just thought it made sense to make it easier to find.

It's in the Help Section under Opt out 

Simple Delivery will be the only listing option as of 15th April and they will start adjusting current listings from the 7th April.

So at least we know where the Iceberg is now. 

[johnwash1]

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@1956glyn wrote:

We were never allowed to bad mouth Ebay on the boards nor mention other selling sites/competitors without being put on the naughty step...either temporarily or even permanently🙄

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Quite so.  And, speaking for myself, I'm simply expressing my sorrow that ebay, a company that's served me well, both buying and selling, for more than 20 years has decided to pull the rug out from under me.

I think that's what others are expressing as well, and we can only hope that somewhere in the ozone layer someone in ebay is listening.

[cherrylunas]

The fact you can't use bring your own label in this policy ebay is discrimination against disabled people my son uses this option as he's autistic and has had no bad reviews nothing for yrs now I will have to print his labels and they are never the right size!!!

[edwardian-dreams]

Off to pic but I always wondered what the logic was in saying losing your parcel is fine if it contains glass ..you don’t  get compensated as if it justifies it somehow 

if it doesn’t , we’ll pay out 

losing a parcel is a fail by the courier , no one else and should be compensated whatever’s in it 

are glass and other non compensation items easier to lose? 

[andha-21]

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@cherrylunas wrote:

The fact you can't use bring your own label in this policy ebay is discrimination against disabled people my son uses this option as he's autistic and has had no bad reviews nothing for yrs now I will have to print his labels and they are never the right size!!!

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@cherrylunas 

I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way but from when they first announced Simple Delivery I thought and still think disabled people have the best chance of stopping this on discrimination grounds and if I'm not mistaken they have a very powerful legal presence in this country. Something that would be very hard to ignore.

[johnwash1]

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@johnwash1 wrote:

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@cherrylunas wrote:

Wish I could code a rival site lol

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Coding (and design) isn't the problem.  I could do that for you (worked freelance for 40 years and started on computers the size of a house, made of radio valves).

Look at ebid.  Excellent site, functions well, modest fees, been around for 20+ years.  But it lacks the massive promotion that a rival site needs.  You can only sell well on such a site if you have a large inventory and can build your reputation, for example with postcards, stamps, or craft items/supplies.  On ebay-as-was, people just came here and bought your items, because everyone and his dog has heard of ebay.

That's what you'd be up against.  But with enough investment, it can be done, clearly.  Vinted is doing well, but as far as I can see, they're equally controlling about postage, I don't think I can get the RM collect-from-home that I need.  And it looks like ebay has simply copied V's ideas.

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@cherrylunas 

You're not alone in your optimism, see for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/ebayuk/comments/1joukfx/lets_design_a_better_platform_together/

As I say above, this is neglecting the huge investment in promotion that would be necessary.  Unless you happen to be independently wealthy, or have venture capitalists as drinking buddies, I suggest you forget it and concentrate on what exists.  I'd love it to happen, but I fear it's not realistic.

[4_bathrooms]

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@edwardian-dreams wrote:

losing a parcel is a fail by the courier , no one else and should be compensated whatever’s in it 

are glass and other non compensation items easier to lose? 

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Legally a service contract must be carried out with "reasonable skill and care". I suspect if a seller made a small claim against a courier for a lost item which the courier accepted for carriage but excluded from compensation the sender would win. This would be due to the sender suffering a loss due to the courier's negligence in performing the contract.     

[cherrylunas]

It's OK I've my own website anyway for my business it's my personal collection I need to find somewhere to sell 

[cherrylunas]

I've just raised this on their social media on insta.. about to blast them on twitter as I'm autistic adhd run a business but also sell private collections which I have thousands of items as all my kids are autistic we tend to buy alot and then get a new passion lol but my circle is wide in disabled community so I'm definitely going to be a thorn

[johnwash1]

Put 'Simple Delivery' into the Help menu on ebay's front page.  Scroll down.  If you like SD, hit thumbs up, if you don't, hit thumbs down.  Now put in a well reasoned explanation of how you feel about SD.

[1956glyn]

Simple Delivery has also pulled the rug from under us too

[diesel.uk]

Maybe that Platinum account I paid for on the other site 15+ years ago will come in useful after all.

[kernowlad]

How do eBay account for  how much packaging you use to protect when they are using simple delivery to  “guess “ the weight of your parcel ? 

[kath3735_wxmjn]

not sure at this point anyone would care if they get 'cancelled' for bad mouthing e bay!

[parsley2003]

They don't it's up to you put the correct weight in and that has to include packaging if not the rule is that you have to pay the extra for any mistakes. There's more small print floating around right now than most of us will ever read, process or remember which is the cunning plan

[jma2815]

I’ve noticed that too. In clothing maybe the top two rows (not including all the ads and sponsored listings) will be UK sellers and the rest will be from the USA and Australia even when searching UK only. Lack of new/sponsored listings coming from UK private sellers now? 

[*buffster*]

Have just sold something and have just had  the ' simple delivery ' ( not at all ) forced on me already !!! Looking at the breakdown it has postage costs as less than I charged in the auction but includes a VAT amount collected by EBay that adds up to the postage cost i charged !?!? 

[leanderme]

Thanks for that johnwash1. 

I just went there, and voted thumbs down. 

I also added the following (see below) as to my reasons for bein anti Simple Delivery. 

Anyone who finds the below useful please feel free to use it yourselves and also feel free to edit, and indeed to add it, as I know it is not exhaustive and does not come near to capturing all of the salient objections to Simple Delivery that have been raised in this thread.

eBay will only rethink this if enough of us complain.

10 Reasons not to make Simple Delivery mandatory.

1) The vast majority of sellers are perfectly capable of organising their own shipping and have been doing so for years - so why change the current eBay system?

2) If eBay feels it must add Simple Delivery then at least let sellers who prefer to organise their won postage opt out of it if they wish to.

3) Simple Delivery charges for postage appear to be more than many sellers normally charge, for example when using Royal Mail 24/28 Tracked.

4) Simple Delivery does not offer Royal Mail Special Delivery, so additional security and insurance is not available for high value items

5) As prices overall will go up due to the higher Special Delivery postage costs, many buyers will pay less for items as they will be paying more for postage.

6) Simple Delivery, by requiring sellers to travel to drop-off locations, discriminates against those who are not able to travel.

7)  Simple delivery requires the seller to provide details of the sold item's packaged size and weight BEFORE the item is actually sold or packaged, but most sellers only have this information AFTER the item is sold and packaged.  Moreover, if the seller gets these details wrong, they may be penalized with extra postage costs or may have to purchase another postage label.

😎 Simple Delivery also discriminates against those who don't have a printer or a smart phone for QR codes.

Simple Delivery, by way of its 2 to 3 day delivery schedule, discriminates against those who have busy lives and/or simply cannot post items according to this schedule.

9) Simple Delivery does not appear to have the flexibility of the previous system - just to give one example, there appears to be no facility to combine postage costs for multiple items.

10) Most importantly of all, as well as being bad for private sellers, it will also be bad for ebay, as some sellers will leave eBay and some of those will go on to sell on other platforms that are competitors to eBay.

Is this what eBay wants?

[parsley2003]

Glad i took everything off. They do everything in a weird way postage refunds were split between item and postage

[leanderme]

Thanks for that johnwash1. 

I just went there, and voted thumbs down.  

I also added the following (see below) as to my reasons for bein anti Simple Delivery. 

Anyone who finds the below useful please feel free to use it yourselves and also feel free to edit, and indeed to add it, as I know it is not exhaustive and does not come near to capturing all of the salient objections to Simple Delivery that have been raised in this thread.

eBay will only rethink this if enough of us complain.

12 Reasons not to make Simple Delivery mandatory.

1) The vast majority of sellers are perfectly capable of organising their own shipping and have been doing so for years - so why change the current eBay system?

2) If eBay feels it must add Simple Delivery then at least let sellers who prefer to organise their won postage opt out of it if they wish to.

3) Simple Delivery charges for postage appear to be more than many sellers normally charge, for example when using Royal Mail 24/28 Tracked.

4) Simple Delivery does not offer Royal Mail Special Delivery, so additional security and insurance is not available for high value items

5) As prices overall will go up due to the higher Special Delivery postage costs, many buyers will pay less for items as they will be paying more for postage.

6) Simple Delivery, by requiring sellers to travel to drop-off locations, discriminates against those who are not able to travel.

7) Simple Delivery also discriminates against those who don't have a printer or a smart phone for QR codes.

😎 Simple Delivery, by way of its 2 to 3 day delivery schedule, also discriminates against those who have busy lives and/or simply cannot post items according to this schedule.

9)  Simple delivery requires the seller to provide details of the sold item's packaged size and weight BEFORE the item is actually sold or packaged, but most sellers only have this information AFTER the item is sold and packaged.  Moreover, if the seller gets these details wrong, they may be penalized with extra postage costs or may have to purchase another postage label.

10) Simple Delivery apparently does not allow the seller to see the buyer's postal address until after the label is printed.  If printing is done at a drop-off point and multiple parcels are involved, then a higher incidence of mislabelling, with  obvious negative consequences, may well be the result.

11) Simple Delivery overall does not appear to have the flexibility of the previous system - just to give one more example, there appears to be no facility to combine postage costs for multiple items.

12) Most importantly of all, as well as being bad for private sellers, it will also be bad for eBay, as some sellers will leave eBay and some of those will go on to sell on other platforms that are competitors to eBay.

Is this what eBay wants?

[61oldman]

my listings have been altered at checkout today 1st  April

£3.45postage which is inclusive of specialist packing for 7" record has been altered to £2.72