BPF - ???

Over the last couple of weeks, I have kept an eye on, and occasionally contributed to the post on ebay forums following the BPF fee imposed by ebay on buyers from private sellers.  This new fee followed changes to the accounting system within ebay, restriction of  the number of listings allowed to, and the removal of selling fees from, private sellers and subsequent changes to passing proceeds of sales to sellers.  Taken all together, this appears to be the implementation of a planned strategy by whoever calls the shots in ebay, with more to come - but to what end?

 

At present the main bone of contention  seems to be the 75p+4% levied on every purchase, inflating every private seller’s prices by just over 4% at the £300 per item level, and by 79% at the £1 level and much more at even lower prices.  Adjusting prices to compensate for this extra cost (as suggested by a “Mentor”), especially at the lower levels, is simply not possible.  To do so would require sellers to sell at profit levels so low as to be unsustainable or non existent.  This is especially true at the low volume, low value level end of the market (which I confess is the level at which I mostly sell (but not necessarily buy!)).

 

Registered business sellers are not subjected to this additional fee which (again according to a “Mentor) is justified by not adding to the overheads they already carry as “legitimate” businesses thereby handing an unfair competitive edge to private sellers.  A little research into the sellers I buy from reveals that, for a large proportion of them, ebay is simply just one (more) outlet for them to generate sales – some of them even have physical shops.  For these , extra overheads associated with selling through ebay are minimal (ebay fees?).  For legitimate businesses operated from “home”, overheads are already at least partially mitigated by tax relief on “expenses”.  For virtually all ebay sellers I guess the heaviest overhead is time – and I would expect businesses of any sort to have factored this into their pricing policy already.

 

Unsurprisingly, the private seller community reaction on the ebay forums is an  almost unanimous chorus of protest.  Admittedly. a proportion of this comes from sellers - presumably those operating from homes - who by their own admission are buying goods for selling on, but are registered as private sellers (thus avoiding relevant ebay fees).  They now find themselves at a competitive disadvantage.  If removing this group (of effectively fraudsters) is an objective of these recent changes that’s fine, but it risks alienation of the people who were/are the very foundation of ebay’s “success”.

 

Buyers from private sellers have always been covered but are now being asked to pay for the privilege, but no-one in their right mind is going to pay over the normal commercial price for any commodity.  So what is the purpose of BPF?  Somebody must know but other than generating extra cash/income and/or discouraging spurious private buyers (surely self defeating objectives) there seems to be nothing  obvious.

 

There is rumour of an ebay survey inviting opinions on the subject.  Has anybody seen it?  What comprises the sample?  It’s obviously not everyone.  Who designed, and/or is, conducting the survey?  When, where and to whom will the results be revealed/published.

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No mockery!!!   I am looking for Manifest series 4, the last one.  It has not been out long i believe, only just got in to the series and have got 1 - 3 but as usual the last one is always the most expensive and cheapest so far is £50 and (that is also on A).    Just about to start series 3 but still not sure if i want to invest that kind of money on a dvd.    You see, i do other stuff apart from come on here....  

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@kath3735_wxmjn 

Believe it or not, so do I. I'll message you if I find anything regarding that set.

I don't have it, never watched that, but after years of collecting I've got a good idea where to look.

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First an apology if you thought I was being disparaging, it was certainly not intended to be so.

Second - I am surprised at the level of fee  simply because it is so far ahead of basic final fee rate 12.9%.  I know this is not the whole story so I guess you must have chosen opt in two some of extras that ebay reckons to improve sales.

Third I do appreciate what overheads are.  In a consultancy overheads are the same and also different.  We rarely carried "stock".  However there is/are, aside from premises (gas, electricity, furniture etc, storage space), there are tools, travel. accomodation, communicattions, IT, printing, advertising, maintenance of anything that could break (ie almost everything) and (blight of my life) entertainment, not all of which was paid by clients eg when competing for projects.  However it has to be said, that in my day, at least a proportion of almost all of these could be set against tax.  Our hourly rates were set to cover the costs associated with any job.  More effort than the actual job!!!!

I appreciate your comments about BPF for the privaye seller - I suppose experience suggests that its application to business sellers is almost inevitable.  If it is I hope it doesn't have the same effect as it has to me:

Listing impressions down by 25%

Page views down by 49%

Sales down by 63%  (and those sales maturing were for listing dated prior to BPF being applied)

Number of new "watchers2 since 4/2 - 3

Number of new bids/offers since 4/2 - zero.

 

Good job I don't do this for a living.

 

  

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Apart from an odd item listed in two categories, no extras.  No promoted items, nowt special.

 

The highest category is 14.9% plus VAT, 17.97%.  Plus shop fees plus VAT on those, of course.  And when you increase postage to cover these fees, the postage fees increase.  Mad eh?

 

Also International fees and lots of 30p fixed price for low value items.

 

BTW, not complaining, just stating facts.  I still try think it's the best job in the world.

 

If you're consultancy was B2B then VAT registration from day one would be common sense, but eBay is B2C, a different game so we deregistered.

 

Don't fret just yet, this is a particularly odd churn rate, activated right at the worst couple of weeks of the year.  The biggest credit card payments of the year have just been paid, and not all in full, many right in the middle of the month, and Spring isn't here yet.   

 

I suspect eBay knows it's committed the cardinal sin of confusing buyers, so it will get worse before they admit they've mucked it all up, and then it will churn again.  Not necessarily for the better, but soon we'll be back to some semblance of normal.

 

In the words of Bette Davis 'Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night!'.

 

 

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"I think it will depend what you are buying. If you want to buy a new item, and see many at silly prices like £21.55 or £103.71, have a look at these listings. Many of them will be "private" sellers whose prices have changed due to the addition of the BPF. Then look at their "other items" - if there are many new items, or many multiple listings, or what they are selling is not what an individual would be likely to sell (either in nature or quantity), you can be reasonably sure that they will be bogus private sellers."

 

Most of the items that I sell are either LIKE NEW or VERY GOOD and this is because they have been stored safely for years while I was overseas.  Generally speaking, I don't sell items that are in GOOD condition.   I also sell a few items of clothing (jackets) that are NEW simply because I lost weight over time and never wore them.  Does this make me a "bogus" private seller?  Of course not.  I'm a genuine private seller trying to downsize.   Anyway, all this talk is redundant now because private sellers are being punished with the BPF and the long waits until payments are released.  I'm not happy about these recent changes, but I'll have to learn to adapt and live with them. 

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So ebay are punishing ALL private sellers to root out the wrongly registered sellers who are registered as private but should be business?   Surely there was a different way to identify these sellers rather than victimising all private sellers.

 

BPF seems to be negatively affecting buyers but some sellers may need to reduce their prices now to still attract buyers and in the case of accepting an offer from a buyer the private seller pays the BPF so is the equivalent of a selling fee.

 

The delay in private sellers receiving the money from their ebay sales may also be to persuade wrongly registered sellers to register as business sellers as there is no delay in payments but at least equal or more so than this reason, I believe ebay are holding on to private sellers money to earn interest/invest.

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"so the BPF is yet another huge cost to consider, especially if the BPF is extended to business sellers.But, as always, their ball, their field and their rules."

 

I do not think that eBay can implement and charge a "buyers protection fee" to businesses as this is already covered under consumer laws etc

 

Ebay terms and conditions/policies cannot remove or replace anything that is covered under the law.

 

If they could and it meant more for their "coffers" -  they  probably would 😉 

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We sell stamps too.  Prices start at 25p.  Ebay adds 73p (not sure how that's calculated!!) and now they want me to use their super-secure, easy to use  "Simple Delivery" - at a minimum cost (to the buyer) of £2.70.  Which planet do these guys come from?

 

Incidentally, not a sniff of a new sale since 4/4/25, even with higher value items (most which have now been unlisted and are available elsewhere).

 

Can't be a coincidence, can it?

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