26-06-2024 5:41 PM
This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?
It's not an exempt category.
Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ?
My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off.
Jo
14-12-2024 11:23 AM
@bzmotman wrote:I picked this up on the Ebay Germany Forum dedicated to GPSR - its in the topic
Hersteller /EU Verantworliche Person wird nicht mehr angezeigt."All sellers who have entered manufacturers/EU responsible persons can only be seen via the Google Chrome browser, for example, you cannot find anything in the offers via Firefox."- translation via Google
So it will be browser dependent?
That figures!
14-12-2024 11:58 AM
LOL bless em - ebay never fails to disappoint do they.
14-12-2024 12:05 PM
14-12-2024 12:34 PM
As far as I can see, nothing has changed.
Still the same amount of products available as this time last week and the ones I checked didn't have any GPSR fields filled in.
There aren't any customs checks for goods coming here in the post, so don't have to worry about that. As far as I know, GPSR is going to be policed by random purchase tests (though I be really surprised if our local government manages to do that).
Looks like ebay haven't flicked the switch to hide non compliant listings.
14-12-2024 1:09 PM
@bzmotman wrote:I picked this up on the Ebay Germany Forum dedicated to GPSR - its in the topic
Hersteller /EU Verantworliche Person wird nicht mehr angezeigt."All sellers who have entered manufacturers/EU responsible persons can only be seen via the Google Chrome browser, for example, you cannot find anything in the offers via Firefox."- translation via Google
Shouldn’t it be “…..who have NOT entered manufacturers…….”? I.e. non-compliant?
15-12-2024 12:35 PM
I have just sold a job lot vintage tools to a regular buyer from N.I.
At the moment it looks little has changed.
15-12-2024 12:56 PM
Assume with no GPSR info in the listing or package sent? If so be interesting to see if they receive it ok and clearly eBay didn’t hide the listing or stop the purchase.
15-12-2024 1:25 PM
GPSR being discussed now in The World This Weekend on BBC Radio 4 (from around 13:20):
15-12-2024 1:44 PM
Yes no GPSR, 10kg Royal MAIL label purchased through Ebay. Royal Mail will have no idea whats in the box so hopefully will be okay
15-12-2024 1:58 PM
None of the monitoring of GPSR will be done by RM or any UK courier. It will be done upon import to any EU country or NI.
15-12-2024 2:40 PM
And if they find it’s non-compliant….. I’m not sure they would know how it had got into the market?
I always put a packing slip inside and my business address on the label, but I know a lot of sellers that don’t put any paperwork in the box.
I wonder if they’d challenge the seller or eBay (assuming they could trace either?).
15-12-2024 2:47 PM
As has already been mentioned in this thread, this is where it depends on the people doing the check. There are some countries whose postal services have a reputation already for not follow existing rules.
15-12-2024 4:43 PM - edited 15-12-2024 4:43 PM
Dont they just
Lithuania just made their own rules this week, and Ive got the most useless post.lt conversation going where the answer to every arguement is NO!
Additional Ireland issues, are/were having problems with delays (5 days, from the customs office) and its been made worse with the storm, Holyhead ferry terminal was damaged, wont reopen till 19th so theres a big reroute going on thats a big jam with a quote from An Post hoping to shift 150,000 parcels over this weekend
Same every year, but for any Irish complaints, there have been genuine issues to contend with
15-12-2024 7:12 PM - edited 15-12-2024 7:18 PM
I find postal companies are mostly motivated to check for things that might allow them to collect some kind of additional handling fee.
I would be surprised if any company is going to dedicate resources to checking every single package coming in for compliance.
No EU rep on the outside? Do they open it up and inspect the contents to try and determine if it was necessary? What if there's a note inside saying item is over 100 years old or was "made available" before December 13th? Do they take it aside and spend hours investigating?
If there is rep info, do they verify it?
Has anyone ever known of a parcel being checked/refused for not complying with the older GPSD? I know that was more of an "honours system" setup in the most basic terms, but did anyone ever have any kind of issue in that regard? Has anyone ever know of any random inspections etc?
Or the German packaging act? Anyone ever come to any grief over that?
In any case, I don't think I've ever witnessed such a messy and chaotic implementation of such a far reaching regulation as this one. Nobody really seems to have a clue exactly how to enforce it or move forward with it. Massive corporations are making it up as they go along etc.
Do the EU really expect shipping companies to analyse every single package? Or are they just going to try and intimidate as many people into complying as possible and not worry about the rest?
On a slightly unrelated note, I only recently discovered that parcels you buy from abroad now where the VAT is paid at purchase below £135, the "IOSS" code shown on packaging/invoice is not specific to that one package, but is just a code to show that entire company has enrolled in the "IOSS" system.
I thought each package had a unique code that could be traced to determine the amount of tax paid, but nope! That code just basically means "Came from ebay who are enrolled in IOSS" Came from aliexpress who are enrolled in IOSS" so open to abuse it's unreal. People can just not charge VAT and the use someone else's IOSS number and the package will apparently slip through.
But then on the other hand, many shipping companies apparently still have no idea what the IOSS system is, and double charge VAT.
Anywhoo, it makes me wonder if this will largely go the same way. Maybe they will make the odd example of people, but maybe largely just business as usual. I guess it's early days to tell.
16-12-2024 10:24 AM
Here in France there's Nothing , the chamber of commerce has said nothing , the accountants haven't heard of it , despite doing the books of millions of small company's that this would apply to , the only info i can get is direct for the EU site , and its unworkable and relies totally on the market place to enforce it , if i sell to another EU country there is no paperwork involved ,No customs declarations nothing , just a bar code for the postman , when you fill in the post paperwork theres CN22 or CN23 for outside Europe, There's Eori for the UK , lucid packing for Germany and soon something similar for Spain , but nothing inter EU , it would solely be ebay that would demand the GPSR info and decide if you could sell , more complicated is that if a EU business lists on the UK site to sell back to the EU, with me so far ? then ebay would see the item is sold from the EU , is in the EU, So the seller is automatically deemed the responsible person its still going to need the GPSR info to be allowed to sell into Europe , groan head hurts !
I sell only vintage 99% of my items are well before 2000 most would conform to the antique categories, i hear article 51 is helpful here but its a massive massive grey area , a 1950s dinky toy was a toy once , when the current rules didn't apply , is it still a toy and if so subject to the new rules for which it has no chance of passing or is it deemed worthy of being a collectable, who decides , is ebay going to have a panel of experts who closely watch every item and decide , i think not , theres so much scare mongering going on here based on hearsay and conjecture with no foundation in fact , i watched the video posted on here by the 2 sellers who explained in very easy and calming voices how to proceed , it was the best island in the storm i have seen and everyone whos panicking should watch this to lower their blood pressure , ultimately this GPSR is in place to stop cheap and dangerous imports and keeping the home market competitive , this is why cars cost more in france but it still has citroen renault and peugeot , its not going to effect vintage in the way most people are scared about and it will find its level like all these laws , the problem is who decides the level , its got to be ebay and they stand to be the ones who are fined , its much like car insurance you keep paying every year and both you and the insurers hope theres no accident the same thing is going to happen here , opt out if your scared , me i am going to grip the sides and take the ride !
16-12-2024 10:25 AM
"In any case, I don't think I've ever witnessed such a messy and chaotic implementation of such a far reaching regulation as this one. Nobody really seems to have a clue exactly how to enforce it or move forward with it." - Agree 100%
"Do the EU really expect shipping companies to analyse every single package?" - The shipping company does not have ultimate liability so I doubt they will be doing any checks; the liability rests with the exporter (seller) and the selling platform if the sale is through one. Checks are to be done via test purchases which I suspect will initially concentrate on children's toys and electrical good as these were the original concern which has resulted in GPSR as many items in these areas were being found that did not comply with the previous safety regulations. It is also expected that the import country's customs will play some part in enforcement and identifying the greatest risks.
"I thought each package had a unique code that could be traced to determine the amount of tax paid, but nope! That code just basically means "Came from ebay who are enrolled in IOSS" Came from aliexpress who are enrolled in IOSS" so open to abuse it's unreal. People can just not charge VAT and the use someone else's IOSS number and the package will apparently slip through." - That is incorrect. Postage of items subject to IOSS has to be made in the correct way, either with a shipping agent with whom your eBay account is integrated (e.g. Royal Mail), via eBay directly, or by informing the relevant shipping agent directly. The coding is then integrated electronically into the information stored in the code formats on the postage label thus generating the symbol to identify that the item is shipped under the IOSS system. There has been numerous posts on these boards whereby people have not followed the correct procedure resulting in mail being undelivered, returned, or the recipient being asked to pay again the VAT due. I would add that it is also a criminal offence to try and bypass VAT payments by simply entering a platforms IOSS number when that platform has not been a party to the sale.
16-12-2024 10:46 AM
The irony is that it won't stop those cheap, largely Chinese, products flooding the market. For a start they can afford to pay someone to be their point of contact in the EU even if its nothing more than a lacky who doesn't know anything about what to do. If a shipment does get stopped, good luck to the authorities trying to track down the company in China, let alone enforce any fines. The businesses most affected will be the smaller artisans & crafters who are actually the ones that think most about quality & their customers, & who also tend to have low profit margins because they're closer to their communities of customers.
17-12-2024 10:04 AM
Well I have had my first buyer from NI message me asking why they cannot purchase from me.
This has made me think and apologies if this is a stupid thought but.....
Business seller selling certain goods has to comply and complete all the mandatory fields if selling to EU or NI.
Private seller selling same goods does NOT need to comply and can continue to sell through EU or NI.
Is it customs in these Countries going to be checking these things, if so how on earth will they know if the goods have come from a private seller or a business seller.
17-12-2024 10:22 AM
could they not purchase because ebay has blocked it to NI and EU or did you remove the options , i know when we were struggling with germany the lucid and the vat numbers , people in germany could see but it wouldnt allow them to buy
17-12-2024 10:24 AM
I think some bloke (it would be a bloke) said earlier in the thread that private sellers are exempt but they aren't. The legislation clearly states that it applies to any product that is supplied into the EU as a result of commercial activity. What constitutes commercial activity can include private sellers on marketplaces such as Ebay. How the customs authorities in any country interpret the legislation is somewhat unpredictable currently.