GPSR Compliance

[bojangled]

This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?

It's not an exempt category. 

Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ? 

My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off. 
Jo

[555njp]

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@giftgrab wrote:

stating all of our manufacturer and supplier information, essentially points competition straight to our sources and contacts, and I was wondering what other people thought of this point? 

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Blimey, good point, I hadn't even thought of that!!

[aj_swift]

I have a similar issue but it's with getting the info. We buy direct from a factory, most of what we buy they have made themselves but if there's a product they don't make then they source it for me.  To get the manufacturers details I would have to ask my supplier to give me their supplier's details. I doubt they will want to give me them.

[4_bathrooms]

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@giftgrab wrote:

Currently we are all trusted to provide safe CE/UKCA products and if we are found not to be then we would face consequences...

...stating all of our manufacturer and supplier information, essentially points competition straight to our sources and contacts, and I was wondering what other people thought of this point? 

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If a product requires a CE/UKCA/UKNI mark the details of the manufacturer are either printed on the packaging or on a label attached to the product. All anyone needs to do is purchase one item to obtain this information - this is exactly the same information that will be displayed on the listing.

[giftgrab]

Well, yes indeed. Imagine if i emailed you saying that i liked your product, and by the way where can i source it from? I can predict the reply 😂

Now were are all about to be expected to lay out all of it for all to see?

[4_bathrooms]

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@aj_swift wrote:

To get the manufacturers details I would have to ask my supplier to give me their supplier's details. I doubt they will want to give me them.

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Are these products that require a CE mark or any sort of EN certification?

[aj_swift]

Some but not all. Those that need an E-mark we buy directly already.

[a45heaven]

Well as a person of simple status - me thinks stopping selling to the EU and sadly NI appears to be the best outcome, if there is to 'Be Consquences' for failing to apply the mountains of info.

Once the dust has settled in a month or so , then maybe the situation can be re-assessed.

Is there a simple link to make the change ?Mentor perhaps.

It'll be sad to lose overseas friends from this selling platform, but there is still other options.

[giftgrab]

I do follow you, All anyone needs to do is purchase one item to obtain this information , however we do not often buy straight from the manufacturer and the DOC would be from directy where we purchased it from. Not the manufacturer. Thus revealing information not directly on the packaging as well as what is on the packaging.

If you have something branded under your brand, then would you be happy to release the informaton not on the packaging....? Ie : which manufacturer you are having it manfactured from, i'd think possibly not as now someone knows where to get their future brand of your product manufactured in a trusted and used factory?

The test data sheet required to be uploaded will be from your direct manufacturer and not you.....

[giftgrab]

I have had 5 people from NI asking why they cant buy my products anymore and I guess we will all have a lot of people dissappointed this Xmas from NI

[therenewalworkshopltd]

That begs the question why can't they?

There is no need to turn off your listings for most 3 months yet.

So you can still benefit from the pre christmas sales.

It literally takes a couple of minutes to switch off delivery to NI and EU, so I really can't see why you do it now.

[a45heaven]

It literally takes a couple of minutes to switch off delivery to NI and EU, so I really can't see why you do it now.

Have you a link to this please - ill wait a while until i action and message overseas folks to warn my customers.

[giftgrab]

The reason is, as so many will tell on here, that eBay have already and are hitting listings and hiding them unless we provide all the data already.

We appeal and state it is before the date and data doesn't apply as that listing isn't placed on NI/EU and there hasn't been a reply in 2 weeks. We then ring and ask for it to be looked at and a week later nothing but a hidden listing.When we supply data, the outcome is the same.

Can we risk putting best sellers for the time on NI/EU when best sellers could be hit?

[therenewalworkshopltd]

I suppose that it does depend on what your actually selling.

But it will I think in the main be only the types of products that need CE marks etc, that are going to have problems.

And frankly, if they are going to hit you with this, as has been shown elsewhere, you might as well make the most of it, until they are switched off.  I say that, because others have been unable to list at all for certain products.

[4_bathrooms]

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@giftgrab wrote:

I do follow you, All anyone needs to do is purchase one item to obtain this information , however we do not often buy straight from the manufacturer and the DOC would be from directy where we purchased it from. Not the manufacturer. Thus revealing information not directly on the packaging as well as what is on the packaging.

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You only need to provide eBay with a digital copy of the DoC that is supplied with the product. Every product with a DoC has a model number - the DoC is specific to that model.

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@giftgrab wrote:

If you have something branded under your brand, then would you be happy to release the informaton not on the packaging....? Ie : which manufacturer you are having it manfactured from, i'd think possibly not as now someone knows where to get their future brand of your product manufactured in a trusted and used factory?

We do have OEM branded products and where a DoC is required it is included with the product - that is the law in the UK as well as the EU. Other sellers have found out where our items are manufactured and have released their own OEM-branded versions. There is stuff-all I can do about it when a DoC is required other than taking measures to protect my own brand and other associated intellectual property.  

[giftgrab]

Ouch, I haven't even tried listing anything for a couple of weeks and seriously hope they are not blocked

[bojangled]

@a45heaven 

Go to post 222 page 12 in this thread, dropdown option in the business policies.

Jo 

[4_bathrooms]

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@aj_swift wrote:

Some but not all. Those that need an E-mark we buy directly already.

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If the product doesn't require CE marking and isn't subject to other labelling requirements - i.e. it is not a textile nor a product with any EN-standards requirements - you can nominate yourself as the manufacturer. However, you will need to employ an EU-based "economic operator" if you want to sell the product to the EU.

If you want to sell to NI but are otherwise not fussed about selling to the EU you need to sign up with the Trader Support Service (TSS) then register with the UK Carrier Scheme (UKC). When registering with UKC you will be asked to provide details of your NI representative - you can enter the TSS here as that is the role they will be fulfilling. I'm fairly certain the TSS is also the "economic operator" you will need to provide to eBay if you are selling to NI but not the EU (the TSS does not perform an EO role for sales to the EU). 

[aj_swift]

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If you want to sell to NI but are otherwise not fussed about selling to the EU you need to sign up with the Trader Support Service (TSS) then register with the UK Carrier Scheme (UKC). When registering with UKC you will be asked to provide details of your NI representative - you can enter the TSS here as that is the role they will be fulfilling. I'm fairly certain the TSS is also the "economic operator" you will need to provide to eBay if you are selling to NI but not the EU (the TSS does not perform an EO role for sales to the EU). 

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That is encouraging as it's the NI sales I would really miss. Do you know for certain that eBay understand we can do that for NI?

[4_bathrooms]

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@aj_swift wrote:

That is encouraging as it's the NI sales I would really miss. 

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Any (British) business wanting to send goods to consumers in NI via Royal Mail or a courier will need to sign up with the TSS and UKC. After 30th September couriers and Royal Mail will likely insist on UKC registration details if the delivery is going to a residential address in Northern Ireland.

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@aj_swift wrote:

Do you know for certain that eBay understand we can do that for NI?

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Do I know for certain? No, I don't. They should because that is the arrangement under the Windsor Framework - i.e. the whole notion about a "green lane" existing. However, sellers of goods with EU labelling requirements will likely find they still need to provide compliance documents but should be able to nominate the TSS as their NI representative instead of needing to employ their own.

[maggna]

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@4_bathrooms wrote:

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@aj_swift wrote:

That is encouraging as it's the NI sales I would really miss. 

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Any (British) business wanting to send goods to consumers in NI via Royal Mail or a courier will need to sign up with the TSS and UKC. After 30th September couriers and Royal Mail will likely insist on UKC registration details if the delivery is going to a residential address in Northern Ireland.

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@aj_swift wrote:

Do you know for certain that eBay understand we can do that for NI?

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Do I know for certain? No, I don't. They should because that is the arrangement under the Windsor Framework - i.e. the whole notion about a "green lane" existing. However, sellers of goods with EU labelling requirements will likely find they still need to provide compliance documents but should be able to nominate the TSS as their NI representative instead of needing to employ their own.

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 That's not correct when it comes to B2C (which is going to be the most common here on eBay) the Royal Mail and UK Government have already advised on this, there is no need for any registration requirements or declarations.

"If you are a business in Great Britain sending a parcel by direct transport to a private individual residing in Northern Ireland for personal use, or a private individual in Great Britain sending goods to a business in Northern Ireland (for example, a customer returning an item), you do not need to complete a customs declaration to move your goods. Data already routinely available to carriers, with some additions, will form the basis of these requirements. The sending business will not face any registration requirements."

 GOV.UK 

Royal Mail