Ebay asking for my Nat Ins Number

I have had a e mail for E Bay asking for my national Insurance number so i can contiunue to sell on e bay

 I am a registered business and have been for over 20 years

 I am VAT registered and have been for over 15 years with my VAT number oin my  e bay account

I pay an accountant to do my accounts of my sales on ebay  every 3 month and now this 

I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT GIVING MY NAT INSURANCE NUMBER TO E BAY, and there is no mention of it being safe   wit E Bay   im furious

 

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I share your concerns regarding the necessity of providing a National Insurance number to eBay. I feel uncomfortable and am furious about sharing such sensitive data. After all, eBay is not a government institution.

 

In the case of multi-person companies, does eBay also require a National Insurance number? If so, which team member's number is needed?

 

Providing a National Insurance number to eBay poses a risk to the security of our personal data. Maybe they should also ask for a driver's licence with a photo, so they can have complete data about us, just like the government?

 

In times when data privacy is extremely important, the requirement of providing a National Insurance number by a commercial company, in my opinion, is unjustified. Supposedly it's legal, I read somewhere, and I don't feel like delving into whether it is or not right now.

I hope that eBay will take steps to better protect data, as it will now be "bombarded" by hackers - such a juicy target on a platter. We have it tough and so does eBay. I can already see the system logs. What will happen if someone hacks the account and steals the data despite hundreds of thousands of protections? Will eBay users be able to count on help, or will it be solely their fault, and eBay will "wash its hands"?

 

I am considering closing my auctions and focusing on selling through my own online store, which I already have, but it's sparsely populated because I was giving eBay a chance.

 

PS: Please excuse any language mistakes, as English is not my first language, but I couldn't hold back from writing all this any longer.

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Information you must give

Digital platform operators will ask you for certain details.

If you’re an individual seller, they’ll ask for your:

  • full name
  • address where you normally live
  • date of birth
  • tax identification number (National Insurance number if you live in the UK)

As an entity seller (such as a company), they’ll ask for your:

  • legal business name
  • main business address
  • tax identification number (company registration number for a UK company)

They also need to know the country in which your tax identification number was issued.

If you sell as a UK partnership, they’ll need your partnership Unique Taxpayer Reference (UTR) — a reference number from HMRC.

 

The above is from Gov uk regarding online digital platforms and information requested for selling goods online... 

 

Link will not upload  so I have copied and pasted the above and the following..

Guidance

Selling goods or services on a digital platform

Details you need to give to digital platforms when selling goods or services in the UK.

From: HM Revenue & Customs Published 1 August 2024 Last updated 30 December 2024 — See all updates

 

I have highlighted the information required as you are a registered business... inform eBay they do not require your national insurance number as you are trading as a business and all the relevant legal compliance is followed due to your trade. 

 

As a private seller I draw the line to providing any third party with my personal national insurance number and my unique UTR which is used to access Gov UK online for tax purposes...Years back Gov insisted it was  only divulged between yourself, your employer and government.  These " identifiers" are supposed to be private and kept safe and yet the Government are now placing " policy" for Marketplaces and the like to source this personal information to cross reference and I can only see it as an infringement on our privacy, personal data and putting us at risk of security issues. I consider it ultra vires  and am uncomfortable in the fact that it is well known that Gov want the UK to have "digital identities" to access even the basic of things to live,  and this seems to be part of it to garner personal data and invade privacy to monitor and surveil everything. 

 

I could say more but will refrain and ask for those concerned to research and protect themselves as they see fit. 

 

@lights-camera-actionuk 

 

 

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Agreed - It is the Government doing this...( research " selling goods or services on a digital platform"  on the Gov uk website)  and it poses a great violation to  the privacy and rights of human kind on many levels. 

 

Where is this information stored, who will be privy to it, what third parties is it shared with, what other institutions will have access to..... etc. etc,  all very valid questions and more...such as why is our personal data being harvested, is it being sold, where is the " server" data collection stored? Who owns it? .....

 

Edit to add..

@atlantis-myshop 

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Guidance from Gov UK HMRC for those seeking information. 

Selling goods or services on a digital platform

Details you need to give to digital platforms when selling goods or services in the UK.

From: HM Revenue & Customs Published 1 August 2024 Last updated 30 December 2024 — See all updates
 
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New rules started in the UK from 1 January 2024 which mean if you sell on digital platforms, the platform operator may need to:

  • collect and check specific details about you
  • report details to HMRC

A digital platform is any software, including mobile apps and websites, which allows you to offer services and goods to users.

If you’re a digital platform operator, check the UK reporting rules for digital platforms.

Who is a seller

You’re a seller if you register on the platform to sell goods or services, even if you’re not directly offering the goods or services yourself.

As a seller on a digital platform, you might:

  • provide personal services, like delivering food, driving a taxi, or freelancing
  • rent out property or transport
  • sell goods

This applies whether you’re an individual, like a sole trader, or an entity, like a company.

Information you must give

Digital platform operators will ask you for certain details.

If you’re an individual seller, they’ll ask for your:

  • full name
  • address where you normally live
  • date of birth
  • tax identification number (National Insurance number if you live in the UK)

As an entity seller (such as a company), they’ll ask for your:

  • legal business name
  • main business address
  • tax identification number (company registration number for a UK company)

They also need to know the country in which your tax identification number was issued.

If you sell as a UK partnership, they’ll need your partnership Unique Taxpayer Reference (UTR) — a reference number from HMRC.

If you rent property, they’ll need the address of each property for rent on the platform.

Platform operators may ask you for other information if they need it to register you on the platform, like a phone number or email address.

They may ask you for other details to help them to confirm your identity.

Reporting by platforms

Digital platform operators in the UK will report your details and your income from selling goods or services on their platform to HMRC. They need to collect this information yearly and send to HMRC by the following January.

For example, information collected about you between 1 January 2024 to 31 December 2024 will be reported to HMRC by 31 January 2025.

Your details will not be reported if you:

  • make fewer than 30 sales of goods in a calendar year
  • receive less than 2,000 euros (about £1,700) for those sales

HMRC will share your information with your country’s tax authority if you live in another country that follows these rules.

Information you will receive

Platform operators have to give you a copy of the information they have reported to HMRC.

This does not automatically mean that you owe tax.

The information is meant to help you to keep track of your earnings. It might also help if you need to tell HMRC about your income or send a tax return. These reports do not replace your normal business records or tax calculations.

The report will show you the total amount that you have earned on the platform for the calendar year, less any fees, commission or taxes deducted by the platform. The amounts will be broken down into quarters of the calendar year. You’ll need to consider the types of taxes the platform has deducted to see if you can offset these against any tax due.

If you do need to tell HMRC about your income, you’ll need to work out your income for the tax year (6 April to 5 April).

Selling online and paying tax

A platform reporting your details to HMRC does not automatically mean you owe tax.

To pay tax on the goods or services you sell online, you must either be:

  • trading
  • making a capital gain

You’re unlikely to pay tax if you sell personal items from your home, like contents of a loft or garage.

If you buy or make goods to sell at a profit, you’re likely to be trading and will have to pay tax on your profits.

Check if you need to tell HMRC about your income from online platforms.

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Also government trying to look on your phones as well if you have an Apple phone. which I think is disgusting 

“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.”
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no good complaining about those that avoid tax , then complain at the measures  combating it

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I was under the impression, that business sellers needed to provide either their company details, or UTR number is self employed.  

 

I certainly only provided company information.  But as a sole trader, the UTR number is a tax identification number as well.

In other words, the first part of that statement posted is about PRIVATE/Individual sellers.

The second part, is about BUSINESS.

 

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whose complaining about paying tax ? im complaining about having to give my personal national insurance number e bay have all my details and i pay my taxes 

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@therenewalworkshopltd wrote:

I was under the impression, that business sellers needed to provide either their company details, or UTR number is self employed.  

 

I certainly only provided company information.  But as a sole trader, the UTR number is a tax identification number as well.

In other words, the first part of that statement posted is about PRIVATE/Individual sellers.

The second part, is about BUSINESS.

 


Sorry but that impression is wrong.  For any individual seller (private or sole trader), ebay need your NI number. 

 

It's not a private/business split, it's an individual/partnership+Ltd company split.

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Maybe so, but to be quite honest, I really don't see the issue.

Ebay may be requesting it, but they are being told to by the Government.

It's not something that they have any choice about.  So why rail against it.

If you have a complaint, then you need to speak to HMRC about it, or start with your local MP.

Complaining against Ebay for complying with the law, is pointless.

 

 

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Couldn't agree more!

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It more than likely it is not eBay wanting your personal details, but the payment processor who deals with the money and payments. Most of them are in the EU. They have a different system to us when it comes to personal information.

 

In the UK it says on the driving licence form do not photograph your licence, we all ready break that rule if selling on selling sites as they ask for that as identification. We upload the photograph. Same with UTR number its our unique registration for HMRC.  Also our NIN is unique to only ourselves. Some sites like Vinted ask for your bank account IBAN number as well.

 

I can understand anyone feeling this is intrusive and why they don't want to give it to eBay. All this is to do with stopping money laundering. 

In a way giving these unique numbers to a payment processer is a form of protection for us and eBay has to collect what the payment processer requires for them to be able to use their services.

 

I had a chat with Mango pay and HMRC only last week becasue Vinted wanted more than I was willing to give them I also had to upload my full tax return to them as well. They told me all the information is encrypted, ie. The unique numbers.  So if Joe Soap comes along and somehow has any of your unique numbers and tries to register to sell on a site he wont get past the registration stage after entering the stolen numbers, your unique numbers will be flagged up as they are already in the payment processing system. He wont be able to register.   Saving you from a lot of hassle.

 

So if we want to sell online we don't really have a choice but to comply with what eBay is asking for.

I personally don't have a problem with it.  It is another layer of protection for both sides.

 

I would be more worried about what you put on Facebook and Instagram after having my 13 year old business page hacked last June and finding out what information the hacker retrieved about me and what google holds on us.  Having all social media accounts connected linked hackers can access your phone.

Never ever doing that again.    

 

 

 

 


Maureen

SimplyC Accessories
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So they are finally getting round to asking established accouts it seems. Great news! 

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I must strongly emphasise that eBay is making a mistake in this case.

 

As a self-employed individual, I run a business registered with my Unique Taxpayer Reference (UTR), which is the required tax identification number for HMRC. According to the guidelines clearly outlined by the UK Government, digital platforms such as eBay should collect UTR from business sellers, not National Insurance Number (NIN). Requiring my NIN in my situation is not only unjustified but could also be interpreted as a legal overreach, as it exceeds the requirements set by HMRC.

 

This distinction is crucial:

 

- Private/individual sellers are required to provide their NIN.

 

- Business sellers, including self-employed individuals like me, must provide a UTR.

 

eBay seems to be conflating these categories, which suggests either a misinterpretation of the law or internal issues with managing this process. It is frustrating and unacceptable that, as a business owner complying with regulations and providing all necessary information (UTR), I am now being asked to share sensitive personal data like my NIN. This is not only unnecessary but potentially non-compliant with the law.

 

Unfortunately, this is not the first time eBay has caused unnecessary issues for self-employed sellers like myself. I have previously experienced similar frustrations with VAT requirements: as a self-employed individual, I am not obliged to register for VAT.

 

Even more concerning is the issue of data security. Although companies like eBay claim to enforce strict security measures, the reality is that data can be misused by both external partners and eBay employees themselves. No one is 100% immune to mistakes or intentional misconduct. Sharing sensitive data like NIN only increases the number of potential points of risk. In the event of a data breach or theft, it is the user who bears the consequences, and regaining control over compromised information can be challenging.

 

Moreover, the lack of clear communication from eBay regarding how data is secured, who has access to it, and for what purposes only adds to the concern. In an era of rising cybersecurity threats, protecting personal data should be a priority. Additionally, entrusting such critical information to a platform that confuses requirements for different seller groups raises significant doubts.

 

I urge eBay to immediately address this situation and review its practices to ensure they comply with the regulations set out by HMRC. In the meantime, I hope this serves as a reminder to all sellers to familiarise themselves with their rights and responsibilities when it comes to data sharing, remain aware of potential risks, and hold platforms like eBay accountable when necessary.

 


I'll add something that's not about eBay, but more general.

 

Stop and think!

Every time we share our data without a second thought, we increase the risk of it being misused. It only takes one breach for sensitive information, such as insurance numbers, addresses, or other personal details, to fall into the wrong hands.

 

An example of this is the data breach at T-Mobile in the USA in 2021, where hackers gained access to the data of over 50 million customers, including names, phone numbers, addresses, social security numbers, and driving licence details. These details were later put up for sale on the dark web, highlighting the serious consequences of such a breach – from identity theft to financial fraud.

 

Do we really want to give away our data so easily, without considering its protection? It’s worth thinking twice before clicking “I agree”.

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I must strongly emphasise that eBay is making a mistake in this case.

 

As a self-employed individual, I run a business registered with my Unique Taxpayer Reference (UTR), which is the required tax identification number for HMRC. According to the guidelines clearly outlined by the UK Government, digital platforms such as eBay should collect UTR from business sellers, not National Insurance Number (NIN). Requiring my NIN in my situation is not only unjustified but could also be interpreted as a legal overreach, as it exceeds the requirements set by HMRC.

 

This distinction is crucial:

 

- Private/individual sellers are required to provide their NIN.

 

- Business sellers, including self-employed individuals like me, must provide a UTR.

 

Yes exactly that, as I explained  in my  previous comment , (unsure it it was you or another poster)  the other day sharing that exact information ... challenge it with eBay - they are misconstruing what is required and this needs to be raised with eBay and the only way is to challenge them and point to the information on the online selling of goods on the Gov website under HMRC. If they try to restrict your account asking for something which is not correct and not required for you to provide, it means eBay are not  adhering to the rules imposed on them by HMRC.

Stop and think!

Every time we share our data without a second thought, we increase the risk of it being misused. It only takes one breach for sensitive information, such as insurance numbers, addresses, or other personal details, to fall into the wrong hands.

 

An example of this is the data breach at T-Mobile in the USA in 2021, where hackers gained access to the data of over 50 million customers, including names, phone numbers, addresses, social security numbers, and driving licence details. These details were later put up for sale on the dark web, highlighting the serious consequences of such a breach – from identity theft to financial fraud.

 

Do we really want to give away our data so easily, without considering its protection? It’s worth thinking twice before clicking “I agree”.

 

Factual information thank you... even now in the UK some companies are requesting for your D.O.B and more, you do not have to provide, just decline... they do not pursue ... Everyone needs to re-think what personal data they are sharing.. many companies have your name, address, email , phone number, if you provide D.OB , national insurance or some other form of identification, or even health/medical information,  it means that company holds "private" information about you... your data is at risk, not only is it shared with third parties and sold, it is open to any data system  " interference" and being " revealed" to who knows who, ready to be used ,possibly , nefariously. Identity theft is real, it harms and many do not recover. 

 

Have a read of the Data protection act 2018 - it is supposed to protect you!

You also can request under this act a Subject Access Request ( S.A.R) from any company, business, hospital ,etc.. any institution that holds information on you, and you have the right to have that information amended if it is not correct. 

@atlantis-myshop 

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I added mine because i was threatened with restrictions and there is pending money 🤔

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Understandably you want access to your funds...so you're held over a barrel,  but the way that eBay has done this along with HMRC is questionable...They do not need your national insurance number, or even your photo... they are asking to  comply with the new HMRC guidelines on online selling... the very ones who told us never to share that with anyone other than your employer. It is data collecting pure and simple, and about as " protective" as the BPF. 

 

 

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On the evening of 26 February, I received an email from eBay titled: 'HMRC changes: update your account.' Update? NIN? But they already have my UTR! A message appeared on their site requesting an update – and I immediately started removing items (setting them to 'out of stock') from all my listings. My intuition told me to act quickly because 'things might get messy.' I thought it wouldn’t hurt – clearing the items was something I planned to do anyway as part of a stock check.

 

Meanwhile, a discussion on the forum further reassured me that I was doing the right thing. Then, this morning, something prompted me to check the customer service page. I wanted to ask what was going on and how to contact them, and there I saw the message: 'It looks like you need to provide more information to verify your account details. We need this before you can receive payouts from us. You can send us what we need by selecting the alert on your Seller Hub homepage - opens in new window or tab or in My eBay - opens in new window or tab.'

 

Later, the chat box informed me that my account had been suspended and that I wouldn’t receive payouts until I provided my NIN. Finally, I requested to speak with a real customer service representative. During the conversation, I explained that I’m a sole trader with an active UTR and asked why they needed my NIN when, according to HMRC’s guidelines, my UTR should suffice. They claimed the requirement came from the UK government, and I should contact HMRC about it. However, my conversation with the representative ended in what I perceived as a lack of respect – they rudely terminated the chat, despite the fact that I was calm and polite throughout. This perfectly reflects the 'respect' eBay shows its sellers. Dear eBay management, remember that your employees are 'you,' and what they say represents you as a board. That is not beneficial for you. Perhaps it’s time for change?

 

Only three days have passed since their email, and they’ve already suspended my payouts. Luckily, a few days earlier, I reduced the stock on all my listings to zero (leaving only out-of-stock items), so I managed to have most of my funds returned – except for £16, which will be deducted as a shop fee.

 

It’s a day I never thought would come – eBay has effectively pushed me into focusing on my own online shop. I wasn’t in a rush to move my business to my site, and I had only listed a few products because leaving eBay was difficult. But in this situation, I have no choice – it’s time to fully commit to my own platform! I still have items listed on eBid, but as we know, that platform doesn’t operate like eBay. This is yet another reason for me to focus more on growing my own shop.

 

NIN is the only 'personal' number I’ve never given to anyone, and I don’t intend to. I’m not going to hand over everything I have (even though I don’t have much) to just anyone for free. I trust my intuition, which has never failed me, and I know I’m doing the right thing. I am not a 'suicidal' seller.

 

eBay is just a company – maybe bigger than mine, but still a company like mine, not a god. It can always fall further, and I might end up 'looking down from above' (a joke, but a true one).

 

Today I’m leaving eBay, packing up 😉 – though not saying goodbye forever. Maybe things will change, and I’ll come back, but NEVER EVER will they get my NIN (unless it’s through HMRC, but not from me)."

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Seriously drastic response to something that your going to have to do anyway.

It's not Ebay that is requesting this information, but HMRC.

And if you look at the info posted further up this thread, it's quite clear that they want your NI and not your UTR.

 

It really is a bit like cutting of your nose to spite your face.

 

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