02-03-2025 5:52 PM - edited 02-03-2025 5:56 PM
Evening all,
I was researching a new Dyson vacuum cleaner, just to compare pricing across platforms and B&M stores.
First thing I came across having filtered by “model”, “New” and “lowest price first” was that the first 6 items were being sold by “private” sellers, clearly running a business…!
Yeah I know that’s now the norm on eBay 🤨 but anyway……...I opened the cheapest listing to find that having been listed as “Brand New” on reading the description I find it states:
“As new, boxed, ONLY USED TWICE!!”
Sorry, that isn’t even “new other”, that is USED. They are also advertising a 2yr warranty (and that’s definitely not transferable on a used product from a private seller!).
So, I decide to report the listing only to get the standard “we looked into your report and could find nothing wrong, your report was looked at by a customer service agent”…! Seriously?
Surely this is blatant mis-selling?
I’m on the cusp of closing both my accounts because of the latest changes to this platform which collectively are making running a business impossible and even selling off you old stuff a real chore. Sales have virtually dried up anyway so this could be the final step.
I’m thinking if someone buys this without reading the full description (I.e. on the app or on their phone), they are going to have a poor buying experience, tell everyone they know and never come back.
What do others think? I would PM Marco, Dave or Kate the listing number but I’ve been blocked from sending at the moment (responded to 3 messages after last weeks chat and apparently that’s too many).
05-03-2025 3:09 PM
It’s a joke! As eBay provides AI to lazy sellers abdicating their responsibilities it’s not surprising EBay similarly uses AI as a short cut to reduce the need for CS agents. It means they can turn a blind eye to what’s going on and as with other things works a treat for eBay but not for us.🙄
05-03-2025 3:49 PM
Just to add some balance.... A bad seller can be business or private. I wanted some turnbuckles for the garden. I already have some and wanted them to match. My first order from a business seller included turnbuckles which did nit march the style, sizes or quality of the stock photos. On further investigation there were two styles in the stock photos, neither of which matched the ones sent.
I contacted 4 other business sellers and asked if they could confirm whether their items matched the stock photos and not one was able to say yes. Two took their listings down two didn't. The one l bought from who seem to despatch from the same place as many others begged me not to leave negative feedback, but have not taken the listing down or corrected it. I would go as far as to say that the turnbuckles they are selling would not be safe under the tension they are made for.
So i bought from a private seller who had taken their own photos and used their own measurements.
05-03-2025 7:11 PM
100% agree, however, it’s hard to tell who’s on what account now. Your “private seller” may have been a business trading on the wrong account?
But I do agree, some awful business sellers on here too, only interested in making a quick buck then long gone if you have a problem.
It’s been discussed at length previously that so many correctly registered business sellers are just resellers. No problem with that of course, however many are saying their product has a manufacturers warranty when in fact for 90% of then it absolutely will not.
A large percentage of manufacturers only honour warranties if the product is sold through the manufacturers authorised supply chain which will exclude heavily discounted stock bought through clearance and wholesale companies or auctions.
05-03-2025 8:12 PM
I see this term bandied about regularly.
But what on earth is the difference between a "Reseller" and a "retailer"?
They both buy things to resell! It's very much like second hand and preloved!
But if your "just a reseller", what exactly are you, as that does sound quite demeaning?
And yes, the manufacturers won't cover clearance type stock or auction bought, but they will honour wholesalers. The problem with the likes of Ebay, is that many sell "new", when it is in fact not new stock.
And as such, not valid for warranty. The trouble is, that Ebay and the like, is still the wild west of retail.
But as long as there is a valid supply chain, manufacturers warranty is perfectly good.
05-03-2025 9:06 PM
But what on earth is the difference between a "Reseller" and a "retailer"?
The difference ...
Retailer - purchase wholesale (mainly brand new items) to sell - many retailers whether a company or person have accounts or contracts with manufacturers or wholesalers who provide items which are discounted..ie.,wholesale prices , which allows them to sell on with a profit margin and usually include the warranty etc ... they are often the same types of items... such as cosmetics, footwear, sofas, kitchen equipment, clothes etc and are usually branded goods.
Reseller - buys things to sell again - a company or person buying to sell on, whether new or used from various sources, shops, charities, auctions etc. They usually buy in bulk either a selection of different or the same items.
05-03-2025 9:33 PM
Sorry, but whether that's what people think it is or not, doesn't make it real.
A reseller, whether they buy second hand goods or whatever, is STILL a retailer!
There is no such thing as a reseller, it purely a made up term.
It makes no sense.
It's like calling a charity shop a reseller. They aren't, they are a retailer, that is a charity.
They just happen to sell second hand goods.
The likes of retail arbitrage has been around for years. Those sellers have never been "resellers".
Hell, I started out refurbishing vacuum cleaners over 10 years ago and there was no such thing as a reseller then. There still isn't, it's ignorance propagated by the likes of You Tube.
Like I said, it is exactly the same as Preloved and used.
And the question was rhetorical.
05-03-2025 9:36 PM
Rhetorically answered then 😉
Retailers were bricks and mortar shops originally...
Resellers were the likes of car boot sales etc it has just morphed to online.
05-03-2025 9:37 PM
In a way it is demeaning, even though it’s what I used to do.
I would class a “reseller” as an opportunist middle man that purchase new product cheaply from wherever they can, be that wholesale, auction (surplus or old model stock), shop sales (January or Black Friday), ex-catalogue distributors, or even other online platforms to re-sell on eBay for a mark-up.
Because most of this stock is still brand new and unopened in retail packaging but critically has not come to market via an approved route (traditional wholesaler or authorised distributor), the manufacturers often won’t honour a warranty claim to the end customer.
In my case as a small business seller I offered my own warranty on these products as well as on our used/refurbished products to cover that off.
This also applies to the second hand market where items are bought from car boots, markets and charity shops to sell on online.
In contrast, a “retailer” would buy the product either direct from the manufacturer or via the manufacturers approved outlets (trade only wholesaler etc.) and as such would be able to offer the full original manufacturers warranty as well as give official product support, in the same way a customer might seek assistance if buying from a B&M shop.
In my experience and of course depending on the product, the manufacturer will have vetted the retailer before allowing their products to be sold and sometimes control the minimal selling price etc (I.e. insist on RRPs). They will often advance product on a sale or return basis too.
So in a nutshell: A retailer is more of a commercial partner to a manufacturer (a bit like a franchised car dealership) whereas a reseller is purely opportunistic, takes all the risk themselves and has little or no link to the product manufacturer (like an independent dealership).
I stopped this type of trading a couple of years ago when the trade only wholesaler and one particular auction I was using started selling to the public directly. They reduced their minimum quantity requirement of a pallet down to, in some cases individual lots…!
This immediately removed the need for a middle man by allowing the public to buy individual goods directly at not much over wholesale but well below retail prices (but gambling on having no warranty).
This virtually killed my business model over night and came about when many eBayers suddenly threw in the towel leaving them seriously over-stocked.
Two years on the prices being paid is sometimes higher than what you see on the high street so the opportunity has gone.
05-03-2025 9:39 PM
@vintique*violet wrote:Rhetorically answered then 😉
Retailers were bricks and mortar shops originally...
Resellers were the likes of car boot sales etc it has just morphed to online.
Precisely. Sorry our posts crossed over!
05-03-2025 10:27 PM
Ebay told me that sellers can sell new items as long as they aren't duplicated in their listings ,so if you are selling say dyson hoovers you can only list one at a time as a private seller ,ebay are now cracking down on private sellers with duplicate listings of the same item and are removing the duplicates .
06-03-2025 7:48 AM - edited 06-03-2025 7:49 AM
Maybe I’m just cynical but eBay is very good at saying what people want to hear. We’ll see whether that actually happens in practice. From my experience they don’t appear to be interested in taking any action when a private seller is listing hundreds of brand new items from Zara, hardly the profile of a private seller. But maybe that’s alright as long as there are no duplicates.🤷🏼
06-03-2025 10:04 AM
Not cynical, spot on. Yesterday’s chat confirmed that private sellers, under eBay’s rules, are still allowed to sell multiple quantities of brand new items. It’s just the multi-variation option that’s been removed.
And, as you can see from the response I got when I reported the Dyson listing for been advertised as brand new with “only used twice” in the description. They don’t care if sellers are misrepresenting the item either.
Its always been an issue on eBay, but now they practically encourage it, it’ll get worse and worse, especially as they hide behind the “we are only the selling platform, individual sellers are responsible for the accuracy of advertised content” line.
06-03-2025 11:18 AM
I started selling on eBay in 2004 but I find it all so dispiriting I haven’t sold for a long time. With the proliferation of so-called ‘private’ sellers selling for free it has now become such an uneven playing field that I haven’t any enthusiasm to list anything even though I’ve still got some stock left. Thankfully, I was able to offload quite a lot to a couple of local vintage sellers recently.
09-03-2025 8:41 AM
I would very much encourage any other business sellers aware of the 'private/more expensive listings prioritised in search' to raise this with support so they can be made aware it's not just affecting me. They are still just treating it as 'feedback' and not a 'bug'. It very much needs escalating!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/eua?id=5275&mkevt=1&mkpi
Lines open between 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. on weekdays.
9 a.m. to 6 p.m. on weekends.
09-03-2025 10:25 AM
Ebay are currently offering free promotions on listings so they will get better ranking in searches.
That said, from a buyer perspective, the whole search funtion is a mess. We should as buyers be able to set our own defaults instead of having to select the same options every time we search to get rid of Chinese and American listings.
09-03-2025 10:53 AM
I started selling on eBay on another account in 2005. Back then I would travel hundreds of miles to collect purchases made through eBay. I remember one particular trip we made over a weekend and picked up various purchases and came home with a car full Marketplace has somewhat killed the need to do this but on the other hand I no longer need to buy anything on here except packing materials and even then I have quite a stock built up from my family who buy a lot of items online and they save the packing for me
most of my online purchases are through other websites mostly the river
I’ve seen such a decline on here in the last few years and am gradually selling my stock ready for retirement. I can’t honestly see eBay making the next 20 years so I’m glad to be winding down. It used to provide a good top up to my salary but now it barely makes enough to cover the fees some months. This month for example I’ve made £13 after my shop fees so far and if you took the amount I’d actually paid for those items it’s less than that
my point is that buyers have so much choice these days. I recently sold an item on vinted for less than I would sell it here but I have no postage cost to worry about and no fees so it works out that I made more money than I would have done selling it here
my experience as a buyer is that if I can find it elsewhere cheaper I will so that I believe is why the number of buyers declines at an alarming rate I remember office conversations where someone would ask where did you get that and the answer was eBay. Now that’s changed to other online sites. It’s a changing world and I’m glad to be retiring from the selling rat race in a few years. It’s been tremendous fun but the glitzy shine is dulling by the day now
09-03-2025 10:53 AM - edited 09-03-2025 10:55 AM
Hmm, It shouldn’t override a search criteria though like price?
Sponsored listings don’t always rank higher in search anyway. Nor does 100% pos feedback, volume of sales or top-rated seem to impact it rankings anymore.
I don’t promote now, but searching my own listings often sees me higher than a lot of sponsored ones. However filtering by price overrides this as it should.
The way the algorithm works it can of course hide some listings altogether, especially if there is a lot of competition and I don’t know how you get round that.
The biggest problem (annoyance) when buying is eBay plaster all manner of sponsored listings all over what you are trying to find. Sometimes these have no relevance to what you’re looking for and sometimes are based on what you’ve searched or bought before.
When I purchased a laptop case recently I lost count of the pages and pages of sponsored ads which made it almost impossible to get to the description of item I originally selected.
Terrible way to run the site IMO as it just puts buyers off.
09-03-2025 11:17 AM - edited 09-03-2025 11:20 AM
100% agree as I have had similar experiences to you.
Amazon did a lot of the damage with Prime. Everyone wants next day ‘free’ delivery these days so they subscribe to Prime and get that bonus. Having paid the monthly subscription customers are of course then going to maximise it, so don’t even look anywhere else.
Then there came Temu, which could over time threaten Amazon as they sell everything but even cheaper!
Also eBay had a great USP being auctions but that’s almost died out. Then the regulations are starting to bite now and have killed off the hobby-seller micro businesses (cottage industry), which lets be honest were often illegally operating out of a bedroom of whatever but were supplying stuff to people cheap for their hobbies etc. so while they got away with it it was a win win.
Then there were those genuine private sellers that were having a huge clearout. Couldn’t be bothered to get up early and do a car boot (me!) so started listing virtually anything you could think of and often for next to nothing, so you could source all manner of goodies as well as rare collectibles etc. from the comfort of your home, for little money too.
So secondhand goods was definitely where eBay won out in my view.
But coming back to my opening post.
That wouldn’t happen on Amazon. Imagine if you reported a seller selling something as new when in fact it was used. Amazon would remove that instantly. This along with eBay having a reputation for seeming at least to attract a lot of scammers (buyers and sellers) and not only tolerating but actively encouraging illegal practices (selling on wrong accounts, selling opened cosmetics, shipping lithium batteries etc. etc.) it’s no wonder the site is declining.
IMHO, unless something significantly changes I think it’ll be gone in couple of years (at best!)
09-03-2025 11:24 AM
"get rid of Chinese and American listings".....
Yep, search is terrible, it's all about what ebay want and not the buyer, or seller.
09-03-2025 11:45 AM - edited 09-03-2025 11:48 AM
This morning I thought I would look in vintage toys. So click the toy category, but when it takes you to the main page, category for vintage toys isn’t even on the main page. If you click vintage into the search bar a side bar will then open up.
But in order to view uk only, I have to use the word vintage which necessarily isn’t used in every listing.
So I searched ending soonest and I know it isn’t conclusive but for about 6-7 hours there were hardly any bids on those items. It was like a ghost town.
How would anyone know there was still a vintage toy category if you can’t even access it from the main page.
Why do I as a buyer want to look at the whole worlds listings when I only want to purchase from the uk..
But I am not alone. Friends who were also avid buyers are just not looking like they used to because of this
I used to look in this category all the time. Now I just cant be bothered to wade through the treacle….