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fallen-archie · ‎12-09-2015

Watching the announcement confirming Jeremy Corbyn as the new labour leader I wondered whether this signalled a real change in politics in the UK or simply a backlash over the move to the centre under Tony Blair. In a funny kind of way we have someone more closely allied to Michael Foot with his down to earth no nonsense politics perhaps things have changed and voters will embrace Corbyn's brand of socialism. Sadly he is a strong supporter of comprehensive education an experiment which failed miserably in the last century so why go back down that route. Nationalisation of the railways is another confusing look back at the past and is unlikely to benefit many. There will be huge defence savings of course as we undertake unilateral disarmament and loyal soldiers get taken to court for war crimes. But there will be free tuition fees, free collective bargaining, cheaper private rentals and many many more great give aways. Good Luck to him this is either a new dawn or the end of the only party to oppose conservatism. What do you think?

vamo48 · ‎12-09-2015

According to a lot of people, a disaster waiting to happen. But at least there will be more of a difference between the parties.

joamur_gosof · ‎12-09-2015

Like the guy ,like his ideals ,and I hope he is the breath of fresh air in british establishment politic nonsense....so hope so...whether he becomes prime minister and turns into a vile melovlent thieving despot like tony blair did remains to be seen....other than that sack IDS and keep Cameron,seems to talk sense to me shame about some of his cabinet though.

mustard-tree · ‎12-09-2015

Makes no difference who the leader is, or which party is in power

The Civil Service will continue running the country as it sees fit.

astrologica · ‎12-09-2015

He does seem to be a very principled man...with very questionable political views. The knives will soon be out......he'd better watch his back.

upthecreekyetagain · ‎12-09-2015

He strikes me as an honest man who is open in what he believes in and won't compromise for personal benefit. Not someone I would vote for but someone worthy of respect.

Deno thread on FHG

al**bear · ‎13-09-2015

@mustard-tree wrote:
Makes no difference who the leader is, or which party is in power
The Civil Service will continue running the country as it sees fit.

Thank goodness someone is stopping the Tories handing Taxpayers money to their friends in Business

https://www.byline.com/column/22/article/370

A revolt is stirring in Whitehall among the country’s top mandarins. While a top Treasury civil servant backed as “value for money” a £1 billion loss on the sale of RBS shares, in six other cases this year senior civil servants have revolted against ministerial requests to spend money.

The figure is remarkable since in the previous three years of coalition government not a single civil servant demanded a direction from ministers to spend money.

Now in eight months ministers have been challenged six times and all involve giving money to the private sector.

The one most recently highlighted was the charity Kids Company where two Cabinet Office ministers had to overrule a refusal by the then Cabinet Office permanent secretary, Chris Heaton, to spend £3m on the charity. He was proved right when the charity went bust.

But there have been similar tussles between senior officials and ministers in three other departments over payments to cover a private coal mine closure, new trains for the Trans Pennine Railway, consultant fees for an airport study, free shares for Rail Mail workers and subsidising private insurance policies in areas of flood risk.

These objections either happened in the dying days of the coalition or since the Tories won a majority.

al**bear · ‎13-09-2015

It was great watching the Blarities throwing their toys out the pram and marching out the Labour party Leadership announcement yesterday, hopefully never to be seen or heard from again.

btw - No one expects Corbyn to lead the Labour party in the next election.

But at least People will have the choice of voting for a left leaning party and not a party full of Mandelson clones who look and sound identical to the Young Conservatives we saw so much of, under Thatcher

Tory papers are full of the News of Labour resignations, who cares, most are faceless nonentities, maybe only 2 People have ever heard of.

Tristan Hunt, only thing People would remember about him is how surprised they were when they found out He wasn't a Tory with that name. Yvette Cooper who even though She was born in Inverness and represents Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford is the epitome of a Champagne socialist member of the London chattering classes, in the Eyes of Labour voters.

One of the faceless ones was that eager for coverage, He tweeted His resignation before vote was fully announced, for that alone, good riddance

What else did we hear after the vote yesterday. The Beeb & others moaning about neither winner being a Woman, so a fully Democratic vote was wrong because it wasn't 'fixed' to suit an agenda.

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I disagree with most of Corbyns beliefs & policies, but at least He should return the 'centre ground' of British politics to the real centre. Not where it is situated at the moment, slightly to the right of Heaths Tory party..

**caution**opinion_ahead · ‎13-09-2015

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:
He strikes me as an honest man who is open in what he believes in and won't compromise for personal benefit. Not someone I would vote for but someone worthy of respect.

Indeed! Nice to have a politician likely to stand by their beliefs and not be constantly swayed by the latest whims in an unseemly chase after votes.

Also, if we are going to have 2 main parties, at least if these stand for different things the electorate does have a real choice.

To have been an MP for 32 yrs, he must have been doing something right in his constituency. Not many MPs have that sort of long-term support.

A lot can happen before the next election of course, and I do think Chukka dropped out of the race this time in order to be in with a real shot at being PM down the line, working on the assumption Labour is unlikely to win in 2020, given its starting position.

UKIP may be a spent force (aided by the BBC's loathing for Farage), but if the Women's Equality Party gets off the starting line, they could be a surprise contender next time.

We shall see.

fallen-archie · ‎13-09-2015

UKIP may be a spent force (aided by the BBC's loathing for Farage), but if the Women's Equality Party gets off the starting line, they could be a surprise contender next time.

Spot on CO, lets hope that the WED stop this ridiculous Situation at Wimbledon whereby women receive the same prize money as men but are required to play best of three rather than best of five. 🙂

**caution**opinion_ahead · ‎13-09-2015

@al**bear wrote:

Tristan Hunt, only thing People would remember about him is how surprised they were when they found out He wasn't a Tory with that name.

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To be fair, neither Jeremy or Piers (his brother) sound particularly left-wing, so it is not always an indicator. I do agree that Hunt is no loss though.

CD, 'tis the exceptions that prove the rule! I'm not too hung up on the issue of equal pay, but I do think a party that "speaks" to women in particular could be an interesting development, given we make up around 50% of the population. No other party really has an agenda specifically directed at such a wide voter base.

cee-dee · ‎13-09-2015

"CD, 'tis the exceptions that prove the rule!" Er, wot? Me???????????????????????

It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.

**caution**opinion_ahead · ‎13-09-2015

Wimbledon is the exception; the "rule" is that women are generally paid less than men for comparable work.

I'm not sure you can build an effective political party round the issue, but we will see.

cee-dee · ‎13-09-2015

It wasn't me that mentioned Wimbledon!!! In fact, I'd not posted on this one at all!!!

It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.

joamur_gosof · ‎13-09-2015

and whos fault is that 😄

andreaneilcmc · ‎13-09-2015

We need a party that is the opposite of the Tory Party in opposition. We don't need Blair's New Labour Party ideals and policies which are just watered down Conservatism. Milliband is almost Cameron.

Corbyn needs to shake things up and get people interested in politics again because so many of us have become disenchanted. He is good to listen to and actually answers questions unlike Cameron. He also appears to have a sense of humour.

I don't believe that he will be in position in 5 years but feel that his presence has already got people re-engaging with how our country should be run and that can only be a good thing.

The Labour Party was founded on Socialist principles which it sadly dismissed when Blair re-invented the party. I grew up in a 3 party system then the Liberals got waylaid. Then it was a 2 party system. It then became, which brand of Capitalism do you want - New Labour or Tory?

**caution**opinion_ahead · ‎13-09-2015

@cee-dee wrote:
It wasn't me that mentioned Wimbledon!!! In fact, I'd not posted on this one at all!!!

Oops! So sorry. Apologies to you and Fallen Archie.

cee-dee · ‎13-09-2015

Right, don't do it again

It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.

lhasa.two · ‎14-09-2015

No, I don't think he is a beacon for the future because he might not last that long. The world is full of people of conviction; religious, political and most of them are wrong most of the time. We have to live in an uncertain world not some ideological utopia. It’s always those on the margins that cause the most grief and Corbyn is on the margins because he's chosen to always be there. He's now jettisoned into a leadership role which will either make or break him. Interesting times ahead...