Why are today's adults treated like children?

In previous generations, children often left school at 14 or 16, started work, married, went to war or took part in National Service, all before the old age of majority of 21. Nowadays, they are just as likely to be in full-time education until their mid-twenties and still living at home, shielded from the concerns and anxieties of adult responsibility from which Dr Williams wants them to be further protected.

Arguably, children are less prepared now for adulthood than ever so why are adults today treated like children?

We are told on a daily basis how to live our lives by people who seem to have taken it upon themselves to assail us with instructions, demands, advice and warnings, spoken as well as written. Rail commuters are constantly hectored. On the Sunday after the clocks went back one October, passengers waiting on the platform were treated to the following: "Here is an announcement. The hour has changed this weekend which means that it may be darker than usual when you return home at your normal time. Please take care."

Whenever it rains, we are informed in grave tones that this means the station concourse will be wet and therefore slippery. During a cold spell cautions were  being issued every five minutes; there were, however, fewer explanations of why the trains had stopped running. In the summer, when the temperature rises much above 60F, we are importuned to carry a bottle of water at all times as though we are about to trek across the Sahara. We must also never forget to take all our belongings with us.

My favourite announcement advises passengers that beggars sometimes operate on the train and we must not give money to them because the rail company "has made a donation to a homeless charity on your behalf".

Who is it that decides to issue such patronisingly idiotic advice, and why? Do they have training colleges dedicated to devising phrases that will sound irritating and condescending in equal measure?

The masters of this genre are, of course, government departments, which seemingly employ armies of bureaucrats compiling statements of the blindingly obvious presumably because they have nothing else to do.

We are grateful to  a former  minister, for this gem: "Whatever the weather, a traditional festive walk is a great way for families and friends to avoid that sluggish feeling and have a more active Christmas." You don't say. In any case, how does the suggestion that we venture out for this walk "whatever the weather" square with the counsel of the AA or the Met Office whenever a flake of snow falls from the sky that we should "only travel if absolutely necessary". Soon, we will go to work accompanied by a disembodied voice telling us to "breathe in, breathe out".

We are exhorted and harangued, often for no obvious reason other than that someone or some agency feels it necessary to ensure all possibility of risk or potential for discomfort are removed from our lives. I had thought this had something to do with a fear of being sued – but there is a deeper reason.

We live increasingly in a world where it is assumed that the authorities, whoever they are, will look after us. The trouble is that many people believe they should be looked after. Society is gradually being infantilised; and it is this that destroys individualism, erodes common sense, removes discretion, stifles creativity and entrenches dependency.

We are all to blame: it is easy to point to a scapegoat when anything goes wrong, and our children are chaperoned wherever they go, yet they are more adventurous than we were, travelling the world and hurling themselves out of planes or off bridges attached to elasticated rope. Only at home are they cossetted by parents with a disproportionate idea of danger and a government that thinks it is helping matters by turning much of the adult population into a reservoir of suspected child molesters.

The biggest change we have seen in recent times is not children growing up too fast, but a paternalistic bossiness that is simply a displacement activity for sensible government and which has infected most walks of life. I wonder if those left on here can think of another outstanding example of this behaviour?

 

 

 

 

The bulk of this article is edited and originally appeared in the Daily Telegraph,  written by Philip Johnston.

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One Christmas when I was about 7 or 8 I got a new pair of school pumps, a Mars Bar and an orange. I thought I was quite well off compared with a lot of kids. The fifties weren't a boom time for everyone.

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Children today are extremely protected because of pedophiles, drugs etc. And the grow stage they start to learn what life is.

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But there were always paedophiles- we just used to call them "funny men", that's all...

 

Today, there are no consequences for poor decisions: fail to understand that higher interest rates for investing in Iceland means there's a bigger risk?  Never mind, the government will get your money back for you using counter-terror legislation.  Have more children than your income can sustain?  Never mind, the government will give you working tax credits.  We're treated like children because we can no longer take responsibility for our own actions.

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Hefzi..you a quite right. Lack of self responsibility is  a scourge in this country. A week or two ago we had the Briton who was sentenced to prison and lashes for being caught with Alcohol in Saudi Arabia. He must have known the penalties,having lived there for many years, so if he had been more responsible for his own actions, he would not have been in that position.

Now we have The 'Briton ' Shaker Aamer, who has just been returned to Britain, in line for a sizeable chunk of compensation. Much is being made of his being a 'family man' who has never even met his youngest son. He was such a loving family man that he upped and left his family and pregnant wife to go to Afganistan to do 'charity' work. If he had been more responsible and done the right thing and looked after his family, he wouldn't have been in his position either.

 Just as bad are women who manage to 'fall' pregnant without a man ( heaven knows how!)  and then expect the taxpayer to pay for their children. And drug addicts who begin taking drugs (when the knowledge about the dangers is freely available out there) and then cost the NHS thousands of pounds trying to get them off drugs. It's high time that young people are taught that they will be expected to pay for their own irresponsibility and that they shouldn't expect to be bailed out when they foul up.

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@astrologica wrote:

Hefzi..you a quite right. Lack of self responsibility is  a scourge in this country. A week or two ago we had the Briton who was sentenced to prison and lashes for being caught with Alcohol in Saudi Arabia. He must have known the penalties,having lived there for many years, so if he had been more responsible for his own actions, he would not have been in that position.

Now we have The 'Briton ' Shaker Aamer, who has just been returned to Britain, in line for a sizeable chunk of compensation. Much is being made of his being a 'family man' who has never even met his youngest son. He was such a loving family man that he upped and left his family and pregnant wife to go to Afganistan to do 'charity' work. If he had been more responsible and done the right thing and looked after his family, he wouldn't have been in his position either.

 Just as bad are women who manage to 'fall' pregnant without a man ( heaven knows how!)  and then expect the taxpayer to pay for their children. And drug addicts who begin taking drugs (when the knowledge about the dangers is freely available out there) and then cost the NHS thousands of pounds trying to get them off drugs. It's high time that young people are taught that they will be expected to pay for their own irresponsibility and that they shouldn't expect to be bailed out when they foul up.


I understood from reports that his family were with him in Afghanistan.  It was only when the US supported Northern alliance started bombarding Kabul following 9/11 that he sent his family to safety in Pakistan and from there back to the UK.

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We're treated like children because we can no longer take responsibility for our own actions.

 

 

 

We're treated like children because many of us don't want to take responsibility for our own actions. We want to buy toys first and let the state pay for the essentials. For every penny someone gets in welfare, someone else has to work to earn it. It is wrong to have children you can't afford and expect other taxpayers to fund them. 

It is wrong to expect welfare so you can have a mobile phone or a holiday, or satellite tv. Welfare should be there for the disabled who can't work...many can and do....or to help those that do with difficulty. It should help the people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own, it should help the poorest to have a decent roof, food and clothing. It should not be going to people who have holidays abroad. 

 

If people were less selfish, at the upper end of the tax credit scale, there would be more cash available to help those at the bottom end, but those at the bottom end could help by not adding to the burden by having children they can't afford. If there is child poverty, let those who have produced those children take responsibility for causing it. 

 

World poverty has has dropped since 1800. Out of the billion people back then about 85% were in poverty. The same number approx live in poverty now, but the world population is nearer 7 billion. In this country, poverty is a relative term. Our poor are, we are told, suffering from obesity etc. That does not fit with my idea of poverty. It rather demonstrates mismanagement of funds.

 

i would stop Child Benefit. Not for those who get it now, but for any child born 15 months from now and after. It was not paid for the first child when I was young, but I would stop it altogether.  I would raise the tax threshold to 15k. If we get into a lower taxation, fewer benefits culture, then people who come here will have to work. There won't be benefits like CB that they can claim for their families back in other parts of Europe. 

 

I really don't see the sense in taking taxes with one hand and paying back in benefits with the other. Saves on admin costs, too. 

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I really don't see the sense in taking taxes with one hand and paying back in benefits with the other. Saves on admin costs, too. 


Absolutely - a big bug bear of mine.  For years the personal tax allowance has been below a minimum living cost, and it's ridiculous. 

 

As far as I can see the only people who benefit are the hundreds/thousands? of goverment employees who have to process forms and calculate benefits and those who are good at cheating the system.

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I wholeheartedly agree Lynda. I've long been of the opinion that Child Benefit encourages feckless breeding and think it should be phased out.

 

Every year the state spends £11.2billion in Child Benefit and £22.9billion in tax credits for children. A few years ago when Ian Duncan Smith was proposing to end Child Benefit and tax credits for all but the first two children, it was estimated that £4.5 billion could be saved.  Think of the savings that could be made if that was later extended to cover only the first child in a family.

 

Obviously this would have to be done in tandem with a steep rise in the tax threshold for low earners and phased in gradually, for instance reduce it to two children by 2020 and then to the first child by 2025. This would give those thinking of starting a family plenty of time to prepare and budget for the extra costs of raising a family. The buck has to stop somewhere.

 

 

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and where exactly are all you finance specialists on here going to spend these savings on ?  I know what it will be spent on and it isnt all you finance specialists on here .  opinions that mean nothing for nothing except ....drum roll........

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@joamur_gosof wrote:

and where exactly are all you finance specialists on here going to spend these savings on ?  I know what it will be spent on and it isnt all you finance specialists on here .  opinions that mean nothing for nothing except ....drum roll........


As I said upping the tax threshold for starters. If, as you say, you know what it will be spent on then please give us the benefit of your knowledge.

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@joamur_gosof wrote:

and where exactly are all you finance specialists on here going to spend these savings on ?  I know what it will be spent on and it isnt all you finance specialists on here .  opinions that mean nothing for nothing except ....drum roll........


IF we were spending money we were earning then the question you ask would be more than relevant - however that is not the case, we are borrowing to fund the current welfare budget - getting into debt to reduce the employment costs of businesses.

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This is the exact problem - and this borrowing, despite claims of "austerity" (maybe ask the Greeks about that?!) from the Left, means that the Conservatives have put our country even deeper into the red...  meanwhile, we have an NHS that is bursting at the seams, in horrendous debt yet not always fit for purpose, councils closing after school programmes and libraries, claiming it's the government cuts that have forced them to do this (whilst hanging on, of course, to their pay rises and chauffeur-driven cars, not to mention jollies to Shanghai etc to "forge better links" etc) and a net migration that is going to make us the most densley populated country in Europe by 2030, if it keeps at the same rate.  Waiting lists for council/affordable housing are years long, even for priority cases, and kids are leaving school at 16 with less and poorer education than our grandparents left with aged 12.  

 

Something is not working - and a huge part of that is failure to take personal responsibility, fostered by successive governments.

 

As for tax - until the 60s, a man (and it was mostly men) earning the average British salary didn't pay tax: go back to those days, and have a single, lower band of income tax that is absolutely unavoidable for all earnings above the £26k threshold.  Keep it simple.  This will bring in more net income, instead of the nonsense we have now where you pay with one hand and get back with the other.  

 

And for goodness' sake, let's start encouraging people to take responsibility!  My big boss is totally blind-sided if you tell him you've screwed up - he's so used to people being mealy-mouthed and explaining why it wasn't their fault they screwed up, he chunters on once you've taken responsibility for something until he tapers off mind sentence, to say, "What did you just say?"

"I said I am very sorry: it was completely my fault that I didn't fill in that form, and I am really sorry that I put you in a bad position in front of senior management because of my poor organisation.  That was totally unacceptable on my part."  Cue open mouth, blustering, and no telling off.

 

OK - a stupid example: but seriously - take some flaming responsibility for your own mistakes.  If we start taking more personal responsibility again, perhaps future governments will see that we don't wish to be infantilised and dominated by their nannying, patronising policies.

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